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Re: [XP] Seeking XP myths

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  • James Carr
    That too :) On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Charlie Poole ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 147 , Jan 19, 2010
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      That too :)

      On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Charlie Poole
      <cpoole@...>wrote:

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      >
      > Which leads me to my own favorite myth:
      >
      > "Agile is a set of practices"
      >
      > Charlie
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com<extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com>
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      > On Behalf Of James Carr
      > > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:59 PM
      > > To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com<extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Subject: Re: [XP] Seeking XP myths
      > >
      > > I think quoting Tyler Durden dispells one of the biggest
      > > myths about agile:
      > >
      > > "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake"
      > >
      > > Every... and I mean EVERY single team, organization, and
      > > project I have been a part of has consisted of people who
      > > believe that their situation is completely unique and that
      > > agile won't work or at least won't work without some
      > > modification, removal or addition of practices. What I find
      > > true on these teams is that rather than focusing on what they
      > > believe won't work that they should instead take the
      > > practices and "try them and see." Often more that not they
      > > find their assumptions about the uniqueness of their
      > > predicament to be false. ;)
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > > James
      > >
      > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Michael Hill
      > > <mike.hill@... <mike.hill%40anarchycreek.com>> wrote:
      > > > Carlton...
      > > >
      > > > There are so many to choose from.
      > > >
      > > > The one that takes the longest time to get over: the idea
      > > that their "test"
      > > > is the same word as our "test".
      > > >
      > > > The one many coaches *still* believe: that internal quality in
      > > > software can be traded for productivity.
      > > >
      > > > The one that most horrifies people, tho it's easy to kill: that
      > > > pairing means you'll be chained to some asshole for the
      > > rest of your life.
      > > >
      > > > If you want more info, check http://anarchycreek.com for ideas.
      > > >
      > > > Seeya,
      > > > Hill
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:35 PM, banshee858
      > > <cnett858@... <cnett858%40hotmail.com>> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> I am working on a presentation about common myths around
      > > the common
      > > >> Agile processes and I was hoping people on this list could
      > > share some
      > > >> myths they have come across recently. Please share a myth
      > > is you have
      > > >> one (or answer one). Thanks.
      > > >>
      > > >> Carlton
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >
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    • Tim Ottinger
      ... That spoke my intention very well. There are formal and informal power structures, and they have their places. They need to be respected.
      Message 147 of 147 , Feb 1, 2010
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        > I can't speak for Tim, but the direction I was going is that while a manager
        > really should act more like a scrum master does, she should not be acting in the
        > capacity of a scrum master. There are dynamics about the manager/managed
        > relationship that, even if you mean well, are there. Now the question as to
        > whether there should even be such a person as a manager is a different, and much
        > longer and livelier, discussion.
        >

        That spoke my intention very well.
        There are formal and informal power structures, and they have their places.
        They need to be respected.
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