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Re: [XP] Re: Certification on eXtreme Programming

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  • Ron Jeffries
    ... What would it take to create a certification program in which there could be justified widespread confidence? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com
    Message 1 of 94 , May 4, 2009
      Hello, Larry. On Monday, May 4, 2009, at 7:56:45 AM, you wrote:

      >> And this is less mindlessly-formulaic than trusting /only/ certified
      >> people because: [fill in the blank]

      > Hm, here is a significant point: who CARES whether this
      > is mindlessly-formulaic? Olof has stated well a position
      > held by many in the industry who might have something to
      > say about hiring. That is a fact of business with which
      > we all have to live (today). So, without widespread confidence
      > in some certification, why in holy heck would a developer
      > want to spend the time, money and effort to obtain it?

      What would it take to create a certification program in which there
      could be justified widespread confidence?

      Ron Jeffries
      www.XProgramming.com
      www.xprogramming.com/blog
      How do I know what I think until I hear what I say? -- E M Forster
    • Adrian Howard
      ... Not sure that it is mind - I m often wrong :) Adrian
      Message 94 of 94 , May 8, 2009
        On 6 May 2009, at 04:08, Ron Jeffries wrote:

        > Hello, Adrian. On Tuesday, May 5, 2009, at 11:37:58 AM, you wrote:
        >
        >> That said, my perception is that the odds of getting a bad candidate
        >> at interview increase if they have certifications listed on their
        >> resume.
        >
        >> My post hoc rationalisation for this experiences is not so much
        >> related to the certification programme itself (although many of them
        >> have severe problems), but to the sort of folk they can attract.
        >
        >> The less creative, by-the-book, list-following developer seems to see
        >> certification programmes as a way to prove their competence. The more
        >> creative, problem-oriented, passionate developers seem to spend their
        >> free chunk of career development time building something cool, or
        >> learning erlang, or contributing to open source projects or...
        >
        > Interesting model. I can see how it might be.

        Not sure that it is mind - I'm often wrong :)

        Adrian
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