Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.
 

Re: [XP] Re: Certification on eXtreme Programming

Expand Messages
  • Olof Bjarnason
    ... In my experience there is a correlation between coding joe and certified developers. The future might prove me wrong, but the past does not. ... --
    Message 1 of 94 , May 4, 2009
      2009/5/4 davenicolette <dnicolet@...>:
      >
      >
      > --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Olof Bjarnason
      > <olof.bjarnason@...> wrote:
      >>
      >> 2009/5/4 Larry Brunelle <brunelle@...>:
      >
      >> >
      >> [Rant: Certification in general just does not work today in the s/w
      >> industry. I don't trust certified ppl, in fact I look for people that
      >> are not certified because a certification would imply a belief in
      >> todays certification systems, which does not work and thus degrades
      >> the value of the applicant in my eyes.
      >
      > And this is less mindlessly-formulaic than trusting /only/ certified people
      > because: [fill in the blank]

      In my experience there is a correlation between "coding joe" and
      certified developers.

      The future might prove me wrong, but the past does not.

      >
      > Cheers,
      > Dave
      >
      >



      --
      twitter.com/olofb
      olofb.wordpress.com
      olofb.wordpress.com/tag/english
    • Adrian Howard
      ... Not sure that it is mind - I m often wrong :) Adrian
      Message 94 of 94 , May 8, 2009
        On 6 May 2009, at 04:08, Ron Jeffries wrote:

        > Hello, Adrian. On Tuesday, May 5, 2009, at 11:37:58 AM, you wrote:
        >
        >> That said, my perception is that the odds of getting a bad candidate
        >> at interview increase if they have certifications listed on their
        >> resume.
        >
        >> My post hoc rationalisation for this experiences is not so much
        >> related to the certification programme itself (although many of them
        >> have severe problems), but to the sort of folk they can attract.
        >
        >> The less creative, by-the-book, list-following developer seems to see
        >> certification programmes as a way to prove their competence. The more
        >> creative, problem-oriented, passionate developers seem to spend their
        >> free chunk of career development time building something cool, or
        >> learning erlang, or contributing to open source projects or...
        >
        > Interesting model. I can see how it might be.

        Not sure that it is mind - I'm often wrong :)

        Adrian
      Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.