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Re: [XP] CMMI doesn't suck

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  • John Roth
    ... From: Michael Spayd To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [XP] CMMI
    Message 1 of 57 , Jul 1, 2007
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Michael Spayd" <michael.spayd@...>
      To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:39 AM
      Subject: Re: [XP] CMMI doesn't suck

      > George, thanks very much for these references. The links to the blog and
      > the
      > FAQ George mentioned are:
      > http://www.agilecmmi.com/
      > http://cmmifaq.info/
      > As someone who is very familiar with the CMM and pretty familiar with
      > CMMI,
      > these are excellent resources that simplify how CMMI really works, not the
      > usual misunderstanding that, frankly, many have, including some in the
      > Agile
      > community.

      I did a quick readthrough. Lots of detail, but nothing
      I didn't already know at least at the big picture level.

      The really key statement is in the faq, right under the
      heading that asks whether this is just a cash cow for
      the SEI.

      It gives the truth: this is a DOD initiative to try to
      cure the rather obvious fact that government (including
      DOD) software projects have a horrible track record.
      No question. Government projects tend to suck worse
      than non-government projects, which aren't real winners

      There is one big, whopping, glaring conceptual error
      in the center of the whole enterprise: it's the assumption
      that, if you do the right things properly, you'll get a good

      So how do we know that the KPAs and goals are the
      right things? I'd say they aren't. Look at the top ten
      success factors on the Chaos reports. Look at
      Alistair Cockburn's seven properties in his "safety

      Then look at the list of KPAs and goals.

      John Roth

      > Michael
      > --
      > Michael K. Spayd
      > Cogility Consulting Solutions, LLC
      > "Business Mind, Social Heart"
      > michael.spayd@...
      > 720.300.5286
      > "Leading Agile Enterprise Transformations"
      > On 6/30/07, George Dinwiddie <lists@...> wrote:
      >> Phlip wrote:
      >> > Extremists:
      >> >
      >> > I need help recalling two anecdotes. They are Google-proof.
      >> > [snip]
      >> > Cites? Experiences?
      >> Don't know about those, but you might be interested in the Agile CMMI
      >> blog and FAQ. See (er, hear) also Hillel Glazer's talk at APLN Maryland.
      >> http://apln.agilemaryland.org/moin/Meeting2007May
      >> - George
      >> --
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >> * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com
      >> Software Development http://www.idiacomputing.com
      >> Consultant and Coach http://www.agilemaryland.org
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    • John Roth
      In fact, that s exactly the advice we got at Atlanta SPIN from an appraiser who does those presentations. I don t remember the guy s name, however he s the one
      Message 57 of 57 , Jul 6, 2007
        In fact, that's exactly the advice we got at Atlanta SPIN
        from an appraiser who does those presentations. I don't
        remember the guy's name, however he's the one who
        starts his presentations with "The two greatest lies in the
        Navy". (Assuming that's not a common story).

        John Roth

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Hillel Glazer" <hillelglazer@...>
        To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:54 AM
        Subject: [XP] Re: CMMI doesn't suck

        > I've never heard of that -- of course, if an organization did that and
        > was appraised, it's unlikely it would have been "learned" by the
        > appraiser community via the appraiser. The important question is: why
        > did the company hire an appraiser of whom they had fore-knowledge
        > wouldn't take the time to understand the process to be appraised?
        > That's the job of the appraiser! To understand the context of the
        > processes so as to ascertain that they can be improved and that the
        > improvement practices are contextually consistent with the development
        > environment. Word to the wise: fire your appraiser/consultant if you
        > even catch a whiff of their nay-saying agile methods without first
        > understanding the local practices.
        > I was speaking last night at the DC chapter of the APLN
        > (http://aplndc.pbwiki.com/) and a similar question came up about
        > appraisers. The person asking the question sounded (I don't know if
        > he actually was) incredulous that organizations should be responsible
        > for actually interviewing, filtering and selecting an appraiser based
        > on whether that appraiser's attitude toward agile would work in the
        > organization's favor.
        > This isn't unique to agile organizations, several of my
        > non-agile-trending clients found themselves in similar situations in
        > which they learned the hard way that not all appraisers/consultants
        > are "created equal". Finding the right appraiser (i.e., one who's
        > understanding of the CMMI model and variations in development
        > techniques, attitude towards evidence for the appraisal, and
        > willingness to interpret abstractly are such that it will work well
        > with your organization) is crucial to a value-added implementation of
        > CMMI.
        > Developers don't hire any developer off the street, why hire any CMMI
        > consultant/appraiser? Organizations as consumers should make
        > themselves educated before making a purchase just as any individual
        > should make themselves educated before making a purchase. CMMI
        > services are no different.
        > If an organization doesn't know what to ask, what to look for, and how
        > to select a CMMI consultant/appraiser, they can call the SEI
        > (www.sei.cmu.edu) and ask for help. That's probably a good topic for
        > the CMMIFAQ... hrmmm...
        > -->> Hillel
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