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Re: [XP] Socratic Method

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  • Keith Ray
    Zen masters could get away with rapping their students on their head with a stick, but again they have permission to do so because of the student-master
    Message 1 of 4 , Apr 1, 2006
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      Zen masters could get away with rapping their students on their head
      with a stick, but again they have permission to do so because of the
      student-master relationship -- the student has faith in his teacher
      that the clout on the head means something.

      Quote Allan Watts:

      "To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water. You don't
      grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do you will
      become stiff and tight in the water, and sink. You have to relax, and
      the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging, and holding
      on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion,
      and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe
      becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding
      tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to
      truth, whatever it might turn out to be. "


      On 3/31/06, Tim Haughton <timhaughton@...> wrote:
      > On 31/03/06, yahoogroups@... <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
      > > The other point is that there's a framing agreement
      > > that the two parties will use that format. This is
      > > generally absent when people claim that they're
      > > "using the Socratic Method", or that someone else
      > > is doing so. That isn't the Socratic Method, that's
      > > simple verbal bullying.
      > >
      >
      > True. But I re-read Plato's Republic recently. In my head, Socrates
      > looks a lot like Ron. Poor guy, as if he didn't have enough to worry
      > about, what with the hemlock and all. :¬)
      >
      > --
      > Regards,
      >
      > Tim Haughton
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    • Ron Jeffries
      ... I think that s going in the list. Thanks! Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com The man happy in his work is not the narrow specialist, nor the well-rounded
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 1, 2006
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        On Saturday, April 1, 2006, at 2:42:00 PM, Keith Ray wrote:

        > But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to
        > truth, whatever it might turn out to be.

        I think that's going in the list. Thanks!

        Ron Jeffries
        www.XProgramming.com
        The man happy in his work is not the narrow specialist,
        nor the well-rounded man, but the man who is doing
        what he loves to do. You must fall in love with some activity.
        --Richard P. Feynman
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