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Re: [XP] Getting from Use Cases to User Stories

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  • Steven Gordon
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    Message 1 of 16 , Nov 29, 2005
      On 11/29/05, Dadi Ingolfsson <blubberplinth@...> wrote:
      >
      > --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gordon
      > <sgordonphd@g...> wrote:
      >
      > Steven,
      >
      > > My current client is using spreadsheets attached to a shared secure
      > website
      > > to capture stories and tests (currently manual tests, but in a form
      > that can
      > > we plan to automate through FIT, WATIR, or some combination).
      >
      > We really do have a similar setup but the thing that is being updated
      > is Word documents containing Use Cases. I´m thinking the way forward
      > could be to cut the Use Cases down to story-like descriptions and put
      > acceptance tests into Excel which can then be imported into FitNesse.
      >
      > > Customers and developers have a daily 15-30 minute netmeeting/phone
      > > conference where:
      > > - the developers show what they did since the last meeting (including UI
      > > mockups),
      > > - the developers say what they plan to do until the next meeting,
      > > - the developers ask the customers any questions they have about the
      > stories
      > > they are currently working on (including UI issues and alternatives)
      > > - the customers comment on what they see, including stating if any new
      > > stories are complete in their eyes.
      > >
      > > Perhaps, your daily meeting could be in the morning for them and the
      > > afternoon for you.
      >
      > These are great ideas! So what you are really doing is having a
      > "stand-up" meeting of sorts with your remote customer. And this works
      > pretty well?


      Yes

      > The UI tends to evolve as the customers try out the system as it
      > evolves,
      > > which generally leads to a more useful end result with less wasted
      > effort.
      >
      > How do they try out the system? Is it web-based so they can access it
      > from a test server?


      Yes

      > As for contractual precommitment, I would suggest trying this first
      > with an
      > > existing customer that already trusts you as a partner with a contract
      >
      > We plan to do just that.
      >
      > > that either side can cancel (with payoff and current delivery)
      > > or ask to
      > > renegotiate at the end of any iteration.
      > Then, if your boss gets
      > > comfortable with how it works, you can broach trying it with new
      > customers.
      >
      > Good idea.
      >
      > > If you have customers that will beat you up by:
      > > - saying they told you they told you X up front,
      > > - work with you in daily meetings where the system evolves to do Y
      > instead,
      > > - accept the stories where Y is being done, and
      > > - then ultimately refuse to pay because the up front contract said X,
      > > THEN you really need to find customers who care more about the value
      > they
      > > are getting than whether they can save a few bucks by screwing their
      > > suppliers contractually.
      >
      > I strongly agree.
      >
      > Best regards,
      > Dadi.
      >
      >
      >


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