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158782Re: [XP] How not to do Kanban

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  • Kay
    Aug 30, 2013
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      Hi Charlie,

      Great advice!! and exactly what I'm doing.

      Thanks!!

      Kay P

      --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Poole <charliepoole@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Kay,
      >
      > Hey, I never thought about this before, but "Change your organization or...
      > change your organization" is a bit like the Law of Two Feet in Open Space.
      > You reminded me of my favorite formulation of it:
      >
      > "If you find you are neither learning nor contributing, use your two feet,
      > go someplace else."
      >
      > Charlie
      >
      >
      > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kay <tranzpupy@...> wrote:
      >
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > hey, Francis Fish,
      > >
      > > --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Francis Fish <francis@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > <snip> Is this team lead
      > > > also the gatekeeper to more senior management?
      > > Near as I can tell, the "team leads" only dole out "tasks" and have no
      > > upward mobility.
      > >
      > > Can you do anything about
      > > > this?
      > >
      > > well, I'm protecting my own sanity by leaving. NO one here I want to
      > > emulate... and nothing to learn here that I trust is accurate. (Right
      > > justifying SQL scripts, booo!)
      > > >
      > > > btw - I love Larry's post too.
      > > me too.
      > >
      > > kay
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Larry Brunelle <brunelle@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > I'm reminded of the signs we sometimes see in garages
      > > > > reading something like
      > > > >
      > > > > Labor $90 hourly
      > > > > If you watch $125
      > > > > If you help $175
      > > > > If you worked on it first $200
      > > > >
      > > > > to which could perhaps be added
      > > > > If you stand there and tell me how to do it $300
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Kay wrote:
      > > > > > Okay, they told us to do Kanban. So, one day, the "team lead"
      > > > > > (whose sole job is "tasking" the employees and who had me
      > > > > > "right-justify"columns in a sql insert script (a text file) so it
      > > > > > would be 'easier to maintain" – so one day, by herself, the "team
      > > > > > lead" created a Kanban board with the backlog . No imput from the
      > > > > > "team"
      > > > > >
      > > > > > And you wonder why I'M crying?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > (I've had my own Kanban board (for my own "tasks" up for a year.)
      > > > > >
      > > > > > kay P.
      > > > >
      > > > >
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      > > > --
      > > > Thanks and Regards,
      > > >
      > > > Francis
      > > >
      > > > 07764 225 942
      > > >
      > > > "So when targets seem stupid, arbitrary and unfair it's because they
      > > *are*.
      > > > The only way to improve is to look at the whole system people are
      > > operating
      > > > with, the basic tools, their training, how much initiative they are
      > > > allowed, are you measuring the right things (more about that later) and
      > > > then you can improve. But it's the *system* you improve, not the people
      > > you
      > > > beat into performing even worse." Unicorns in the
      > > > mist<https://leanpub.com/unicorns>
      > > >
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