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155957Re: [XP] Is experimentation an XP value?

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  • thierry henrio
    Nov 6, 2010
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      Hello Adam

      On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Adam Sroka <adam.sroka@...> wrote:

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      > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Laurent Bossavit <laurent@...<laurent%40bossavit.com>>
      > wrote:
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      > > > The XP teams that I have worked with, on the other hand, seemed to
      > > > value experimentation
      > > >
      > >
      > > Something bugs me here... If you are using "XP team" as a shorthand
      > > for "teams who use XP practices", ditto Scrum, then you're almost
      > > stating a tautology: "the teams I've seen who are using Scrum
      > > practices but not XP practices are reluctant to adopt XP practices".
      > > That's more or less what made them Scrum teams in the first place,
      > > right?
      > >
      >
      > That makes sense. To put it in the proper context the teams that are
      > doing Scrum without XP practices are doing what they were told to do.
      > Many of them have no idea how to do XP practices. The reason that I am
      > there is to help them figure out how/if XP practices will help them.
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      >
      > > So, basically you seem to be saying that some teams adopt some
      > > practices that some other teams don't.
      > >
      >
      > That's not exactly what I meant to be saying, but it is true. For the
      > most part these teams didn't chose Scrum, it was forced on them. I
      > don't want to force XP on them. So, I am in the somewhat tenuous
      > position of saying that I think some of the practices will help them
      > do Scrum more effectively. The problem with that is that most of the
      > time they don't want to try new things.
      >
      > In particular, if they are faced with some arbitrary deadline imposed
      > by the business then I can almost guarantee they will reject any
      > changes introduced prior to that deadline. I can't really say I blame
      > them for that, but I want to understand it better so that I can help.
      >
      > Come to think of it, this may have little to do with Scrum and more to
      > do with the corporate culture I am dealing with. So, maybe that part
      > of my premise was flawed.
      >

      If company was sold "XXX folds lead time by 2, just do XXX", then it might
      It might also be a great goal if planned and agreed transparently ...
      So what is your plan ?
      Curious, Thierry


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