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Re: [extremeperl] Better Development Tools for Perl

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  • J Matisse Enzer
    ... Do you see no middle ground between minimal experience and wizard ? That sounds awfully black & white. ... So again, there are only wizards and novices,
    Message 1 of 107 , Jun 9, 2005
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      On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote:
      > Because the idea that someone with minimal experience should be
      > building a complicated thing (road, bridge, etc) is ridiculous on its
      > face.

      Do you see no middle ground between "minimal experience" and "wizard"?
      That sounds awfully black & white.

      >> Are you equating "senior developer" with wizard?
      > Yes.
      > Any senior
      > developer, in any language, will write wizard code.

      So again, there are only wizards and novices, nothing else?

      >> In fact, several IDE's have sprung up: Komodo and Eclipse/EPIC are
      >> probably the most sophisticated but they are by no means the only
      >> ones.
      > All of those began life as IDEs for other, static languages. There is,
      > to my knowledge, no IDE that was developed for a dynamic language that
      > has Perl bindings.

      When you say "all of these" what are you referring to? EPIC was
      certainly written for Perl, and Komodo was written for Perl and Python
      from the start. Here's the 2001 press release:

      (current software is at http://www.ActiveState.com/Komodo)

      Here are a couple of others I know less about:

      I am not saying these tools are good enough (or even good), I am saying
      I want better ones. I hear you saying "Why? We don't need better tools"

      > I have heard doom'n'gloom about Perl's marketshare, mindshare, and
      > similar -shares for years. Yet, the development community seems to be
      > just as vibrant as ever.

      I hope you are right - if you are right then Perl will not lose market
      share to Java, and Python, and C#, etc, which is great. I will be very
      happy if Perl has as much market share in 2 years as it has now.

      Rob, you have certainly convinced me that you yourself do not need nor
      want better tools, that you can do a better job with what you have now
      than anything I've described. If you feel you have anything further to
      contribute to myself or those who do want better tools I do want to
      hear about it, but I will understand if you don't.


      Matisse Enzer <matisse@...>
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    • Siegfried Heintze
      Since there was a helpful discussion some time ago on USB keyboards and mice for pair programming that was not specific to perl, I wanted to solicit the group
      Message 107 of 107 , Feb 13, 2006
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        Since there was a helpful discussion some time ago on USB keyboards and mice
        for pair programming that was not specific to perl, I wanted to solicit the
        group for information on network software (also not specific to perl).

        I just set up openVPN on my openwrt/WRT54G router for pair programming with
        a headset and skype.

        (1) Can any point me to the documentation on sharing desktops on windows? I
        need to create accounts on Win2003 XP Server. When I created an account
        belonging only to the user group, my partner could not log in. He was
        receiving some error message about not being permitted to log in
        interactively. However, when I added the administrator group (reluctantly)
        to his account, he could log in. Is there a tutorial somewhere on the web
        for creating user accounts in windows for use with remote desktop logins on

        (2) How do I share my remote desktop setting with a programming pair

        (3) What about sharing sessions when I'm booted with linux? I think there is
        a vnc program out there, but I don't know how to use it. I'll need to learn
        how to create accounts and share linux desktops with remote VPN users. Is
        there a tutorial on this?

        (4) Are video cams very helpful for pair programming?

        It seems that this kind of knowledge would be very common for pair



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