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Re: [extremeperl] Better Development Tools for Perl

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  • Perrin Harkins
    ... Oops, I shouldn t write things like this when I m half asleep. With South Korea, Starcraft would be the thing you d have a hard time getting them to hand
    Message 1 of 107 , Jun 6, 2005
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      Rob Kinyon wrote:
      > North Korea. :-)

      Oops, I shouldn't write things like this when I'm half asleep. With
      South Korea, Starcraft would be the thing you'd have a hard time getting
      them to hand over.

      > I'm one of those people who believes in both coder-defined imported
      > mixins -and- Code Complete.

      I have a particular grudge against mixins. Having a name for them makes
      them sound so reasonable, but how long will it be before two people
      release mixins that want to use the same method name? They effectively
      flatten the namespace.

      > Good Perl
      > code can be all of those things and be very dynamic.

      At some point, the complexity gets out of control. Using lots of magic
      tends to lead to code that requires the programmer to keep a whole set
      of invisible extras in their head while working on a few lines of code.

      > All this talk of automatically refactoring and auto-generation of
      > tests ... makes me think the code is just too complicated. Why aren't
      > the common bits abstracted out? You recommend Catalyst, but not CDBI?

      I don't personally feel the need for automated refactoring. I mentioned
      Catalyst as an example of something that generates tests, not as an
      endorsement. (I'll be talking about Catalyst and friends at YAPC, so
      it's on my mind.) I do recommend CDBI, and I contribute patches to it,
      which is why I know what the internals look like.

      - Perrin
    • Siegfried Heintze
      Since there was a helpful discussion some time ago on USB keyboards and mice for pair programming that was not specific to perl, I wanted to solicit the group
      Message 107 of 107 , Feb 13, 2006
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        Since there was a helpful discussion some time ago on USB keyboards and mice
        for pair programming that was not specific to perl, I wanted to solicit the
        group for information on network software (also not specific to perl).



        I just set up openVPN on my openwrt/WRT54G router for pair programming with
        a headset and skype.



        (1) Can any point me to the documentation on sharing desktops on windows? I
        need to create accounts on Win2003 XP Server. When I created an account
        belonging only to the user group, my partner could not log in. He was
        receiving some error message about not being permitted to log in
        interactively. However, when I added the administrator group (reluctantly)
        to his account, he could log in. Is there a tutorial somewhere on the web
        for creating user accounts in windows for use with remote desktop logins on
        VPNs?



        (2) How do I share my remote desktop setting with a programming pair
        partner?



        (3) What about sharing sessions when I'm booted with linux? I think there is
        a vnc program out there, but I don't know how to use it. I'll need to learn
        how to create accounts and share linux desktops with remote VPN users. Is
        there a tutorial on this?



        (4) Are video cams very helpful for pair programming?



        It seems that this kind of knowledge would be very common for pair
        programmers.



        Thanks,

        Siegfried



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