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    REMOVE --On Tuesday, March 20, 2001, 3:46 AM -0800 Robert Abele
    Message 1 of 2 , Mar 20, 2001
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      --On Tuesday, March 20, 2001, 3:46 AM -0800 Robert Abele
      <robertabele@...> wrote:

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      >> There are 3 messages in this issue.
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      >> Topics in this digest:
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      >> 1. Re: remove
      >> From: laurebelle2@...
      >> 2. Re: spirituality without god
      >> From: Juan Menendez
      >> <skip2maloo2000@...>
      >> 3. Re: spirituality without god
      >> From: "Edward Alf" <ealf@...>
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      >> Message: 1
      >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:48:18 EST
      >> From: laurebelle2@...
      >> Subject: Re: remove
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      >> I would like to be removed from existlist, but I
      >> can't figure out how to
      >> remove myself. Please help. Thank you!
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      >> Message: 2
      >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:50:54 -0800 (PST)
      >> From: Juan Menendez <skip2maloo2000@...>
      >> Subject: Re: spirituality without god
      >>
      >>
      >> --- Edward Alf <ealf@...> wrote:
      >> > Folks,
      >> >
      >> > this may be difficult to express ... i will just
      >> > give it a try and see what
      >> > comments i get ...
      >> >
      >> > i have been working on a sort of philosophy ... i
      >> > spoke of some of it a few
      >> > days ago ... the underlying theme is that the
      >> human
      >> > brain is wired for
      >> > spirituality ... that is there is a tendency to
      >> seek
      >> > after spirituality ...
      >> > i should think that this is the same function as
      >> > when we try to put order
      >> > into what we see ... i should think that it is the
      >> > same inclination that
      >> > leads us to this list on existentialism ...
      >> >
      >> > the problem i have in finishing this philosophy is
      >> > the word "spirituality"
      >> > ... i realise that it can be looked up in the
      >> > dictionnary, but what do you
      >> > see it as being ... can spirituality be coupled
      >> with
      >> > things like purpose and
      >> > motivation ...
      >> >
      >> > eduard
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > Dear Eduard:
      >>
      >> You have some pretty good company on this issue of
      >> people being wired for spiritual life. The great
      >> psychiatrist, Carl Jung, believed roughly that, as
      >> did
      >> his American admirer, Joseph Campbell. There is a
      >> superb book dealing with the use of religions,
      >> myths,
      >> stories in human life by Bettelheim called, "The
      >> Uses
      >> of Enchantment."
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >>
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      >> Message: 3
      >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:48:53 -0500
      >> From: "Edward Alf" <ealf@...>
      >> Subject: Re: spirituality without god
      >>
      >> Juan,
      >>
      >> finally have some time to get back to you ... i was
      >> down to the farm co-op
      >> to get some seeds for my bird/squirrel/chipmunk
      >> feeder ... winter is coming
      >> to an end and they will soon be able to find their
      >> own food .. snow is about
      >> a foot deep in the back yard ....
      >>
      >> thanks for the book recommendation ... i will check
      >> in on it ...
      >>
      >> i seem to have advanced a bit ... looking up
      >> spirituality on the internet
      >> ... "spirit" means "breath" and is the animating or
      >> vital principle held to
      >> give life to physical organisms ... it is the
      >> purpose or meaning to life
      >> that provides a motivation ... if we look at it from
      >> this point of view,
      >> then spirituality which is usually associated with
      >> religion, does not
      >> necessarily have to have this connection ... in the
      >> end it is anything which
      >> motivates ... so it is possible to have spirituality
      >> without god ...
      >>
      >> the way i see it, the concept of god is problematic
      >> for todays society ...
      >> at one time it was not a problem since most of what
      >> the average person would
      >> encounter was shrouded in mystery ... if disasters
      >> like earthquakes and
      >> plague seemed to come from nowhere, it would not be
      >> too much of a stretch
      >> for the imagination to think of a zeus type god
      >> hiding behind some cloud ...
      >> waiting to either help or hinder .... it is not that
      >> this kind of god image
      >> would be difficult or someone to imagine today, but
      >> it simply takes too much
      >> in the way of compromises to hold that image ...
      >>
      >> so it occurs to me that the alternative would be to
      >> eliminate god from
      >> spirituality ... now you could accomplish that in a
      >> number of ways .. one is
      >> to consider god to be something abstract or perhaps
      >> as a personification of
      >> the universal soul ...
      >>
      >> but for me the idea of a universal soul is not
      >> attractive ... i mean in the
      >> sense that it is a statement of condition rather
      >> than a motivation to action
      >> ...
      >>
      >> what im thinking of is to look at the apparent
      >> purpose of the human species
      >> ... although it may be difficult to define an
      >> ultimate purpose, one could
      >> say that there is an inherent movement for
      >> propagation ... like grass
      >> spreading to cover a field ... humans spread to
      >> cover the earth and then to
      >> the galaxy ... that gives me a purpose for action
      >> ... i can see a role and
      >> an overall direction ... it may not be for everyone,
      >> but i find a certain
      >> satisfaction in it ... and logic ... it enables a
      >> connection with
      >> existentialism in the sense that one can exist but
      >> also act ...
      >>
      >> i hope this makes some sense .. as you can tell this
      >> is an initial step
      >> towards a personal philosophy which has yet to gel
      >> ...
      >>
      >> eduard
      >>
      >>
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