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Re: [existlist] spirituality without god

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  • Juan Menendez
    ... have thought along the same lines as yourself -- especially Teilhard De Chardin. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 20 4:03 PM
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      --- Edward Alf <ealf@...> wrote:
      > Juan,
      >
      > finally have some time to get back to you ... i was
      > down to the farm co-op
      > to get some seeds for my bird/squirrel/chipmunk
      > feeder ... winter is coming
      > to an end and they will soon be able to find their
      > own food .. snow is about
      > a foot deep in the back yard ....
      >
      > thanks for the book recommendation ... i will check
      > in on it ...
      >
      > i seem to have advanced a bit ... looking up
      > spirituality on the internet
      > ... "spirit" means "breath" and is the animating or
      > vital principle held to
      > give life to physical organisms ... it is the
      > purpose or meaning to life
      > that provides a motivation ... if we look at it from
      > this point of view,
      > then spirituality which is usually associated with
      > religion, does not
      > necessarily have to have this connection ... in the
      > end it is anything which
      > motivates ... so it is possible to have spirituality
      > without god ...
      >
      > the way i see it, the concept of god is problematic
      > for todays society ...
      > at one time it was not a problem since most of what
      > the average person would
      > encounter was shrouded in mystery ... if disasters
      > like earthquakes and
      > plague seemed to come from nowhere, it would not be
      > too much of a stretch
      > for the imagination to think of a zeus type god
      > hiding behind some cloud ...
      > waiting to either help or hinder .... it is not that
      > this kind of god image
      > would be difficult or someone to imagine today, but
      > it simply takes too much
      > in the way of compromises to hold that image ...
      >
      > so it occurs to me that the alternative would be to
      > eliminate god from
      > spirituality ... now you could accomplish that in a
      > number of ways .. one is
      > to consider god to be something abstract or perhaps
      > as a personification of
      > the universal soul ...
      >
      > but for me the idea of a universal soul is not
      > attractive ... i mean in the
      > sense that it is a statement of condition rather
      > than a motivation to action
      > ...
      >
      > what im thinking of is to look at the apparent
      > purpose of the human species
      > ... although it may be difficult to define an
      > ultimate purpose, one could
      > say that there is an inherent movement for
      > propagation ... like grass
      > spreading to cover a field ... humans spread to
      > cover the earth and then to
      > the galaxy ... that gives me a purpose for action
      > ... i can see a role and
      > an overall direction ... it may not be for everyone,
      > but i find a certain
      > satisfaction in it ... and logic ... it enables a
      > connection with
      > existentialism in the sense that one can exist but
      > also act ...
      >
      > i hope this makes some sense .. as you can tell this
      > is an initial step
      > towards a personal philosophy which has yet to gel
      > ...
      >
      > eduard
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Juan Menendez" <skip2maloo2000@...>
      > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:50 AM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] spirituality without god
      >
      >
      > >
      > > --- Edward Alf <ealf@...> wrote:
      > > > Folks,
      > > >
      > > > this may be difficult to express ... i will just
      > > > give it a try and see what
      > > > comments i get ...
      > > >
      > > > i have been working on a sort of philosophy ...
      > i
      > > > spoke of some of it a few
      > > > days ago ... the underlying theme is that the
      > human
      > > > brain is wired for
      > > > spirituality ... that is there is a tendency to
      > seek
      > > > after spirituality ...
      > > > i should think that this is the same function as
      > > > when we try to put order
      > > > into what we see ... i should think that it is
      > the
      > > > same inclination that
      > > > leads us to this list on existentialism ...
      > > >
      > > > the problem i have in finishing this philosophy
      > is
      > > > the word "spirituality"
      > > > ... i realise that it can be looked up in the
      > > > dictionnary, but what do you
      > > > see it as being ... can spirituality be coupled
      > with
      > > > things like purpose and
      > > > motivation ...
      > > >
      > > > eduard
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >Dear Eduard:
      > >
      > > You have some pretty good company on this issue of
      > > people being wired for spiritual life. The great
      > > psychiatrist, Carl Jung, believed roughly that, as
      > did
      > > his American admirer, Joseph Campbell. There is a
      > > superb book dealing with the use of religions,
      > myths,
      > > stories in human life by Bettelheim called, "The
      > Uses
      > > of Enchantment."
      > > >
      > > >There are a number of Catholic theologians who
      have thought along the same lines as yourself --
      especially Teilhard De Chardin.
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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