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  • Bill Harris
    click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their young people. Bill ...
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      click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their young people. Bill
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      From: clickhereforinsignificance
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
      Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM



      Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer
      does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the
      religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards the
      west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too have
      our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of thousands
      of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
      East'.

      I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are capable
      and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
      (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's politics
      change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around the
      world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related) and
      the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and of
      course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power theory.

      The West effectively used a similar technique against Communism
      (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the end,
      they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
      economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
      pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
      wish to return to the 'old ways'.

      I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church and
      state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
      freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
      Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
      survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
      transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
      support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did for
      military puppet governments after the cold war.

      There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by every
      non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won by
      the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation of
      both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over the
      world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly effective
      towards accomplishing tasks.

      Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
      nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
      Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,
      Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
      still remain to plunder.

      And yet they do not.

      I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that important
      little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to die...
      but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.

      ~ tired of petty wars






      --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
      >
      > well, just a forward..
      >
      > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
      > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
      > To: Fateha@y...
      > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
      > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
      >
      >
      >
      > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
      > ABOUT ISLAM
      >
      > By Huma Ahmad
      >
      >
      > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
      >
      > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
      > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
      > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic
      IRA
      > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
      > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
      > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
      > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times
      > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
      linked
      > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or may
      > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
      > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
      > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
      > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
      > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
      > meaning 'peace'.
      >
      > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
      > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
      > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they
      make
      > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
      > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
      > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
      > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
      > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
      > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
      > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
      > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah
      Swt
      > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace,
      then
      > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
      > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
      >
      > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
      > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
      > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
      > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
      > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
      peace.
      >
      > 2: Islam oppresses women
      >
      > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
      > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
      > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
      > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
      > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
      > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
      > equality.
      >
      > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
      > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
      > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
      > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of
      her
      > property and earnings.
      >
      > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
      > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
      > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way
      that
      > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
      > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
      > kindest to his wife."
      >
      > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
      > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
      > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
      > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
      > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
      > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
      > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think
      may
      > be suitable.
      >
      > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
      >
      > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
      > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
      > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
      > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
      > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ
      used
      > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
      identical
      > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
      > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
      > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in
      the
      > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
      > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
      > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
      > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
      > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
      > like attributions as found in other faiths.
      >
      > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
      >
      > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
      > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
      > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
      > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
      > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
      > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
      > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
      > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
      >
      > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
      > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
      direction
      > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
      >
      > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
      > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
      > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of
      any
      > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
      > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
      > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
      > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
      > Protestantism..."
      >
      > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
      > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
      > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
      examples
      > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
      > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
      > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
      > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
      > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
      > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all
      the
      > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set
      up
      > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
      > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
      > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
      > not.
      >
      > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
      > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
      > Swt
      > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
      > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come
      to
      > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
      > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
      > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
      >
      > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
      >
      > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
      > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
      > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
      > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
      faith.
      > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
      > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
      Thirty
      > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
      > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and
      10%
      > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
      > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
      minorities
      > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they
      are
      > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
      > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
      > States.
      >
      > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
      >
      > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
      > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
      > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
      > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
      > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
      > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should
      be
      > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
      > Farrakhan.
      >
      > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
      > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was
      the
      > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
      > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
      > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
      > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
      > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
      > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
      >
      > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
      > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
      > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
      > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
      > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
      > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
      > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
      >
      > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
      > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
      > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
      > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
      > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
      > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
      > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
      > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
      >
      > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
      >
      > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
      > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
      > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
      wars,
      > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances
      men
      > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
      > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
      evils.
      > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
      > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
      > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
      > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
      husband.
      > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
      > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
      > the permission to remarry.
      >
      > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
      > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
      > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
      > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
      > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
      >
      > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
      >
      > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
      > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
      > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his
      > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
      > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to
      the
      > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man
      and
      > woman'.
      >
      > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
      > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
      > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
      > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
      > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
      > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
      > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
      > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
      > good navigational maps.
      >
      > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
      >
      > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
      > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
      > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
      > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
      > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
      > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
      > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
      > detested the decadence of his society.
      >
      > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of
      Hira
      > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
      > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
      > from Allaah
      > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
      > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
      > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
      which
      > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
      > group of
      > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
      > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
      > emigrate.
      >
      > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
      > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
      After
      > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
      > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
      > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
      > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
      > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
      China.
      >
      > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
      > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
      > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
      > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
      > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
      > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
      > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
      > final messenger
      > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
      > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
      > worship him.
      >
      > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
      > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
      > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
      > (Qur'an 33:45-
      > 46)
      >
      > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
      >
      > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
      > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
      > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
      > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
      > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
      > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation
      as
      > follows:
      >
      > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
      > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
      > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
      > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
      > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
      > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
      > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
      > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
      > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
      > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
      >
      > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
      > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
      > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
      > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
      (Qur'an
      > 3:59)
      >
      > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
      > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
      > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
      > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
      > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
      > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
      >
      > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
      > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
      > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
      >
      > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
      > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
      > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
      > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
      > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
      >
      > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
      > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad
      (SAW)
      > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
      messenger
      > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
      > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
      > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
      >
      >
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    • clickhereforinsignificance
      Bill, I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes the Islamic situation... but it s an entirely different issue. Israel was created as a
      Message 2 of 11 , Aug 1, 2002
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        Bill,

        I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
        the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
        was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
        Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
        the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

        However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
        way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
        of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
        open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
        decided they wanted their land back!!!!

        By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
        exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
        Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
        psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
        is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
        as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
        girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

        The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
        cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
        eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
        seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
        the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
        I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
        Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
        nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
        not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
        even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
        would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
        religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
        want the land of their ancestors back?

        What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
        policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
        right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
        disgusting manner.

        I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
        being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
        children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
        strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
        extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

        All that being said, what should be done now is not the
        dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
        and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
        either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
        between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
        only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
        appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
        retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

        This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
        veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
        solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
        high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
        the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
        Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
        one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
        calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
        Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
        the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
        what they have at there disposal.

        If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
        is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
        likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
        the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
        a fundimentalist.

        ~ peace through superior firepower?

        ---------------------------------------------



        --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
        > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
        views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
        young people. Bill
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: clickhereforinsignificance
        > To: existlist@y...
        > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
        > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
        >
        >
        >
        > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
        writer
        > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
        the
        > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
        the
        > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
        have
        > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
        thousands
        > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
        > East'.
        >
        > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
        capable
        > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
        > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
        politics
        > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
        the
        > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
        and
        > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
        of
        > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
        theory.
        >
        > The West effectively used a similar technique against
        Communism
        > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
        end,
        > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
        > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
        > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
        > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
        >
        > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
        and
        > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
        > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
        > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
        > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
        > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
        > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
        for
        > military puppet governments after the cold war.
        >
        > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
        every
        > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
        by
        > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
        of
        > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
        the
        > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
        effective
        > towards accomplishing tasks.
        >
        > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
        > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
        > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
        Algeria,
        > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
        > still remain to plunder.
        >
        > And yet they do not.
        >
        > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
        important
        > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
        die...
        > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
        >
        > ~ tired of petty wars
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
        > >
        > > well, just a forward..
        > >
        > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
        > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
        > > To: Fateha@y...
        > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
        > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
        > > ABOUT ISLAM
        > >
        > > By Huma Ahmad
        > >
        > >
        > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
        > >
        > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
        resulting
        > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
        Islam.
        > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
        Catholic
        > IRA
        > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
        > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
        are
        > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
        > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
        times
        > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
        > linked
        > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
        may
        > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
        will use
        > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
        > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
        says
        > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
        > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
        word
        > > meaning 'peace'.
        > >
        > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
        Perhaps
        > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
        West,
        > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
        they
        > make
        > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
        > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
        defence of
        > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
        forcibly
        > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
        include
        > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
        crops,
        > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
        > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
        > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
        Allaah
        > Swt
        > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
        peace,
        > then
        > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
        > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
        > >
        > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
        rigorous
        > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
        literally
        > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
        jihad.
        > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
        everyone
        > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
        > peace.
        > >
        > > 2: Islam oppresses women
        > >
        > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
        forced to
        > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
        people's
        > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
        oppress
        > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
        these
        > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
        > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
        > > equality.
        > >
        > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
        > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
        example of
        > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
        an
        > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
        of
        > her
        > > property and earnings.
        > >
        > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
        > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
        taking
        > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
        way
        > that
        > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
        most
        > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
        and
        > > kindest to his wife."
        > >
        > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
        their
        > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
        > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
        > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
        > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
        last
        > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
        marry
        > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
        think
        > may
        > > be suitable.
        > >
        > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
        > >
        > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
        Muslims
        > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
        > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
        > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
        the
        > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
        Christ
        > used
        > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
        > identical
        > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
        same God
        > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
        > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
        in
        > the
        > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
        His
        > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
        many
        > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
        in
        > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
        does not
        > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
        human-
        > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
        > >
        > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
        > >
        > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
        Arab
        > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
        other,
        > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
        correct
        > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
        freedom of
        > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
        not,
        > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
        drive
        > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
        them; for
        > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
        > >
        > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
        no
        > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
        > direction
        > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
        > >
        > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
        of
        > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
        attempt to
        > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
        of
        > any
        > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
        religion,
        > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
        of
        > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
        > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
        made
        > > Protestantism..."
        > >
        > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
        status of
        > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
        > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
        > examples
        > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
        > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
        worship
        > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
        > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
        their
        > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
        > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
        all
        > the
        > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
        set
        > up
        > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
        > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
        an
        > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
        Muslim or
        > > not.
        > >
        > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
        > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
        > > Swt
        > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
        > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
        come
        > to
        > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
        Swt 's
        > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
        > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
        > >
        > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
        > >
        > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
        out of
        > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
        range of
        > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
        the
        > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
        > faith.
        > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
        > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
        > Thirty
        > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
        > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
        and
        > 10%
        > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
        make up
        > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
        > minorities
        > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
        they
        > are
        > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
        and
        > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
        > > States.
        > >
        > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
        > >
        > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
        different
        > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
        members
        > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
        to be
        > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
        gain.
        > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
        used
        > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
        should
        > be
        > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
        > > Farrakhan.
        > >
        > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
        example,
        > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
        was
        > the
        > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
        > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
        Swt ,
        > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
        > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
        to do
        > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
        > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
        > >
        > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
        the
        > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
        Muslim
        > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
        under the
        > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
        > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
        form the
        > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
        religion
        > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
        > >
        > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
        being
        > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
        should be
        > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
        > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
        > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
        Islam. In
        > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
        Read
        > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
        > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
        > >
        > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
        > >
        > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
        > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
        population of
        > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
        > wars,
        > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
        circumstances
        > men
        > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
        > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
        > evils.
        > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
        solution
        > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
        > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
        a
        > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
        > husband.
        > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
        > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
        men
        > > the permission to remarry.
        > >
        > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
        husband is
        > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
        humanly
        > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
        on the
        > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
        > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
        > >
        > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
        > >
        > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
        was the
        > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
        Allaah
        > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
        his
        > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
        great
        > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
        to
        > the
        > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
        man
        > and
        > > woman'.
        > >
        > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
        with
        > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
        physics,
        > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
        history.
        > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
        also
        > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
        mathematics),
        > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
        > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
        > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
        and
        > > good navigational maps.
        > >
        > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
        him
        > >
        > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
        his
        > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
        afterwards, he
        > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
        he
        > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
        > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
        arbitrate
        > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
        > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
        long
        > > detested the decadence of his society.
        > >
        > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
        of
        > Hira
        > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
        retreat,
        > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
        > > from Allaah
        > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
        > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
        began to
        > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
        > which
        > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
        > > group of
        > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
        that in
        > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
        > > emigrate.
        > >
        > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
        Makkah for
        > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
        > After
        > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
        > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
        established
        > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
        63,
        > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
        his
        > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
        > China.
        > >
        > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
        is
        > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
        Islam
        > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
        Muslims
        > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
        were all
        > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
        sent
        > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
        > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
        > > final messenger
        > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
        him
        > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
        not
        > > worship him.
        > >
        > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
        bearer
        > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
        > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
        > > (Qur'an 33:45-
        > > 46)
        > >
        > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
        > >
        > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
        They
        > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
        > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
        but
        > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
        > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
        considered the
        > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
        Annunciation
        > as
        > > follows:
        > >
        > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
        purified
        > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
        Allaah
        > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
        the
        > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
        > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
        shall
        > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
        be of
        > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
        when no
        > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
        He
        > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
        > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
        > >
        > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
        > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
        of
        > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
        > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
        > (Qur'an
        > > 3:59)
        > >
        > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
        > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
        from
        > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
        of a
        > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
        > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
        dead by
        > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
        > >
        > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
        basic
        > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
        > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
        > >
        > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
        have
        > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
        and
        > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
        have
        > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
        obey
        > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
        > >
        > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
        no
        > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
        Muhammad
        > (SAW)
        > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
        > messenger
        > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
        emanating
        > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
        received by
        > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • james tan
        aiden, perhaps it is not the fundamentalists that are the problem , but rather the extremists. semantic quibbling here?! james. From:
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          aiden,

          perhaps it is not the fundamentalists that are the 'problem', but rather the
          extremists. semantic quibbling here?!

          james.


          From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@...>
          Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
          Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:09:40 -0000


          Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer
          does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the
          religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards the
          west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too have
          our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of thousands
          of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
          East'.

          I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are capable
          and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
          (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's politics
          change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around the
          world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related) and
          the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and of
          course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power theory.

          The West effectively used a similar technique against Communism
          (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the end,
          they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
          economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
          pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
          wish to return to the 'old ways'.

          I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church and
          state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
          freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
          Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
          survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
          transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
          support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did for
          military puppet governments after the cold war.

          There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by every
          non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won by
          the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation of
          both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over the
          world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly effective
          towards accomplishing tasks.

          Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
          nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
          Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,
          Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
          still remain to plunder.

          And yet they do not.

          I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that important
          little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to die...
          but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.

          ~ tired of petty wars






          --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
          >
          > well, just a forward..
          >
          > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
          > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
          > To: Fateha@y...
          > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
          > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
          >
          >
          >
          > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
          > ABOUT ISLAM
          >
          > By Huma Ahmad
          >
          >
          > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
          >
          > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
          > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
          > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic
          IRA
          > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
          > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
          > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
          > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times
          > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
          linked
          > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or may
          > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
          > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
          > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
          > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
          > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
          > meaning 'peace'.
          >
          > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
          > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
          > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they
          make
          > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
          > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
          > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
          > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
          > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
          > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
          > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
          > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah
          Swt
          > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace,
          then
          > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
          > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
          >
          > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
          > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
          > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
          > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
          > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
          peace.
          >
          > 2: Islam oppresses women
          >
          > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
          > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
          > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
          > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
          > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
          > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
          > equality.
          >
          > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
          > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
          > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
          > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of
          her
          > property and earnings.
          >
          > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
          > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
          > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way
          that
          > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
          > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
          > kindest to his wife."
          >
          > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
          > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
          > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
          > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
          > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
          > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
          > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think
          may
          > be suitable.
          >
          > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
          >
          > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
          > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
          > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
          > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
          > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ
          used
          > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
          identical
          > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
          > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
          > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in
          the
          > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
          > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
          > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
          > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
          > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
          > like attributions as found in other faiths.
          >
          > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
          >
          > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
          > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
          > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
          > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
          > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
          > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
          > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
          > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
          >
          > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
          > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
          direction
          > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
          >
          > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
          > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
          > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of
          any
          > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
          > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
          > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
          > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
          > Protestantism..."
          >
          > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
          > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
          > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
          examples
          > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
          > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
          > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
          > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
          > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
          > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all
          the
          > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set
          up
          > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
          > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
          > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
          > not.
          >
          > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
          > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
          > Swt
          > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
          > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come
          to
          > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
          > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
          > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
          >
          > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
          >
          > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
          > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
          > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
          > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
          faith.
          > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
          > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
          Thirty
          > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
          > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and
          10%
          > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
          > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
          minorities
          > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they
          are
          > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
          > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
          > States.
          >
          > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
          >
          > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
          > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
          > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
          > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
          > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
          > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should
          be
          > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
          > Farrakhan.
          >
          > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
          > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was
          the
          > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
          > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
          > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
          > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
          > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
          > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
          >
          > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
          > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
          > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
          > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
          > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
          > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
          > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
          >
          > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
          > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
          > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
          > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
          > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
          > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
          > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
          > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
          >
          > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
          >
          > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
          > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
          > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
          wars,
          > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances
          men
          > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
          > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
          evils.
          > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
          > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
          > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
          > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
          husband.
          > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
          > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
          > the permission to remarry.
          >
          > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
          > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
          > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
          > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
          > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
          >
          > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
          >
          > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
          > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
          > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his
          > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
          > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to
          the
          > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man
          and
          > woman'.
          >
          > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
          > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
          > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
          > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
          > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
          > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
          > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
          > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
          > good navigational maps.
          >
          > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
          >
          > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
          > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
          > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
          > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
          > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
          > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
          > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
          > detested the decadence of his society.
          >
          > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of
          Hira
          > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
          > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
          > from Allaah
          > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
          > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
          > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
          which
          > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
          > group of
          > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
          > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
          > emigrate.
          >
          > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
          > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
          After
          > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
          > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
          > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
          > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
          > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
          China.
          >
          > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
          > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
          > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
          > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
          > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
          > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
          > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
          > final messenger
          > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
          > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
          > worship him.
          >
          > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
          > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
          > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
          > (Qur'an 33:45-
          > 46)
          >
          > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
          >
          > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
          > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
          > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
          > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
          > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
          > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation
          as
          > follows:
          >
          > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
          > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
          > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
          > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
          > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
          > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
          > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
          > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
          > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
          > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
          >
          > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
          > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
          > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
          > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
          (Qur'an
          > 3:59)
          >
          > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
          > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
          > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
          > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
          > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
          > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
          >
          > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
          > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
          > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
          >
          > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
          > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
          > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
          > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
          > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
          >
          > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
          > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad
          (SAW)
          > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
          messenger
          > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
          > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
          > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
          >
          >
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          does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested? james. From: clickhereforinsignificance Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com To:
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            does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested?

            james.


            From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@...>
            Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
            Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:28:26 -0000


            Bill,

            I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
            the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
            was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
            Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
            the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

            However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
            way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
            of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
            open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
            decided they wanted their land back!!!!

            By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
            exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
            Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
            psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
            is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
            as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
            girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

            The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
            cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
            eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
            seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
            the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
            I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
            Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
            nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
            not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
            even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
            would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
            religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
            want the land of their ancestors back?

            What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
            policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
            right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
            disgusting manner.

            I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
            being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
            children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
            strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
            extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

            All that being said, what should be done now is not the
            dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
            and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
            either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
            between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
            only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
            appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
            retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

            This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
            veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
            solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
            high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
            the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
            Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
            one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
            calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
            Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
            the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
            what they have at there disposal.

            If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
            is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
            likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
            the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
            a fundimentalist.

            ~ peace through superior firepower?

            ---------------------------------------------



            --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
            > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
            views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
            young people. Bill
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: clickhereforinsignificance
            > To: existlist@y...
            > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
            > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
            >
            >
            >
            > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
            writer
            > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
            the
            > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
            the
            > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
            have
            > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
            thousands
            > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
            > East'.
            >
            > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
            capable
            > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
            > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
            politics
            > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
            the
            > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
            and
            > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
            of
            > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
            theory.
            >
            > The West effectively used a similar technique against
            Communism
            > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
            end,
            > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
            > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
            > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
            > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
            >
            > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
            and
            > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
            > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
            > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
            > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
            > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
            > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
            for
            > military puppet governments after the cold war.
            >
            > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
            every
            > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
            by
            > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
            of
            > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
            the
            > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
            effective
            > towards accomplishing tasks.
            >
            > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
            > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
            > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
            Algeria,
            > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
            > still remain to plunder.
            >
            > And yet they do not.
            >
            > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
            important
            > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
            die...
            > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
            >
            > ~ tired of petty wars
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
            > >
            > > well, just a forward..
            > >
            > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
            > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
            > > To: Fateha@y...
            > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
            > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
            > > ABOUT ISLAM
            > >
            > > By Huma Ahmad
            > >
            > >
            > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
            > >
            > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
            resulting
            > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
            Islam.
            > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
            Catholic
            > IRA
            > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
            > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
            are
            > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
            > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
            times
            > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
            > linked
            > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
            may
            > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
            will use
            > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
            > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
            says
            > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
            > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
            word
            > > meaning 'peace'.
            > >
            > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
            Perhaps
            > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
            West,
            > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
            they
            > make
            > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
            > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
            defence of
            > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
            forcibly
            > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
            include
            > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
            crops,
            > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
            > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
            > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
            Allaah
            > Swt
            > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
            peace,
            > then
            > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
            > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
            > >
            > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
            rigorous
            > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
            literally
            > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
            jihad.
            > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
            everyone
            > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
            > peace.
            > >
            > > 2: Islam oppresses women
            > >
            > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
            forced to
            > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
            people's
            > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
            oppress
            > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
            these
            > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
            > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
            > > equality.
            > >
            > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
            > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
            example of
            > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
            an
            > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
            of
            > her
            > > property and earnings.
            > >
            > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
            > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
            taking
            > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
            way
            > that
            > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
            most
            > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
            and
            > > kindest to his wife."
            > >
            > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
            their
            > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
            > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
            > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
            > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
            last
            > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
            marry
            > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
            think
            > may
            > > be suitable.
            > >
            > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
            > >
            > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
            Muslims
            > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
            > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
            > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
            the
            > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
            Christ
            > used
            > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
            > identical
            > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
            same God
            > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
            > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
            in
            > the
            > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
            His
            > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
            many
            > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
            in
            > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
            does not
            > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
            human-
            > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
            > >
            > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
            > >
            > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
            Arab
            > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
            other,
            > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
            correct
            > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
            freedom of
            > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
            not,
            > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
            drive
            > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
            them; for
            > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
            > >
            > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
            no
            > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
            > direction
            > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
            > >
            > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
            of
            > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
            attempt to
            > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
            of
            > any
            > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
            religion,
            > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
            of
            > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
            > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
            made
            > > Protestantism..."
            > >
            > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
            status of
            > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
            > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
            > examples
            > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
            > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
            worship
            > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
            > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
            their
            > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
            > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
            all
            > the
            > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
            set
            > up
            > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
            > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
            an
            > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
            Muslim or
            > > not.
            > >
            > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
            > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
            > > Swt
            > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
            > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
            come
            > to
            > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
            Swt 's
            > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
            > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
            > >
            > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
            > >
            > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
            out of
            > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
            range of
            > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
            the
            > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
            > faith.
            > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
            > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
            > Thirty
            > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
            > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
            and
            > 10%
            > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
            make up
            > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
            > minorities
            > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
            they
            > are
            > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
            and
            > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
            > > States.
            > >
            > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
            > >
            > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
            different
            > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
            members
            > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
            to be
            > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
            gain.
            > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
            used
            > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
            should
            > be
            > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
            > > Farrakhan.
            > >
            > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
            example,
            > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
            was
            > the
            > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
            > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
            Swt ,
            > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
            > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
            to do
            > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
            > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
            > >
            > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
            the
            > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
            Muslim
            > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
            under the
            > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
            > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
            form the
            > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
            religion
            > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
            > >
            > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
            being
            > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
            should be
            > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
            > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
            > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
            Islam. In
            > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
            Read
            > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
            > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
            > >
            > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
            > >
            > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
            > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
            population of
            > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
            > wars,
            > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
            circumstances
            > men
            > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
            > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
            > evils.
            > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
            solution
            > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
            > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
            a
            > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
            > husband.
            > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
            > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
            men
            > > the permission to remarry.
            > >
            > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
            husband is
            > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
            humanly
            > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
            on the
            > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
            > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
            > >
            > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
            > >
            > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
            was the
            > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
            Allaah
            > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
            his
            > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
            great
            > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
            to
            > the
            > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
            man
            > and
            > > woman'.
            > >
            > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
            with
            > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
            physics,
            > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
            history.
            > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
            also
            > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
            mathematics),
            > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
            > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
            > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
            and
            > > good navigational maps.
            > >
            > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
            him
            > >
            > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
            his
            > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
            afterwards, he
            > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
            he
            > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
            > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
            arbitrate
            > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
            > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
            long
            > > detested the decadence of his society.
            > >
            > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
            of
            > Hira
            > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
            retreat,
            > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
            > > from Allaah
            > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
            > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
            began to
            > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
            > which
            > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
            > > group of
            > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
            that in
            > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
            > > emigrate.
            > >
            > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
            Makkah for
            > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
            > After
            > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
            > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
            established
            > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
            63,
            > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
            his
            > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
            > China.
            > >
            > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
            is
            > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
            Islam
            > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
            Muslims
            > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
            were all
            > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
            sent
            > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
            > > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
            > > final messenger
            > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
            him
            > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
            not
            > > worship him.
            > >
            > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
            bearer
            > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
            > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
            > > (Qur'an 33:45-
            > > 46)
            > >
            > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
            > >
            > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
            They
            > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
            > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
            but
            > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
            > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
            considered the
            > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
            Annunciation
            > as
            > > follows:
            > >
            > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
            purified
            > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
            Allaah
            > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
            the
            > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
            > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
            shall
            > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
            be of
            > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
            when no
            > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
            He
            > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
            > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
            > >
            > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
            > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
            of
            > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
            > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
            > (Qur'an
            > > 3:59)
            > >
            > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
            > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
            from
            > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
            of a
            > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
            > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
            dead by
            > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
            > >
            > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
            basic
            > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
            > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
            > >
            > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
            have
            > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
            and
            > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
            have
            > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
            obey
            > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
            > >
            > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
            no
            > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
            Muhammad
            > (SAW)
            > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
            > messenger
            > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
            emanating
            > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
            received by
            > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
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          • james tan
            informative article by huma ahmad, and interesting if somewhat skeptical response on ur part. james. From: swmirsky@aol.com Reply-To:
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              informative article by huma ahmad, and interesting if somewhat skeptical
              response on ur part.

              james.


              From: swmirsky@...
              Reply-To: WisdomForum@yahoogroups.com
              To: WisdomForum@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [WisdomForum] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
              Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:42:45 EDT

              More time now so will have a go at commenting on the material you posted
              below (my comments in caps):

              In a message dated 8/1/2002 1:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
              tyjfk@... writes:

              > well, just a forward..
              >
              > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@...>
              > Reply-To: Fateha@yahoogroups.com
              > To: Fateha@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
              > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
              >
              > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
              > ABOUT ISLAM
              >
              > By Huma Ahmad
              >
              > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
              >
              > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
              > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
              > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRA
              > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
              > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
              > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
              > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators.

              THE REASON IS THAT EITHER SUCH ACTS ARE ANOMOLOUS BEHAVIOR
              > FOR THE GROUP REPRESENTED OR THEY ARE NOT PRESENTED BY THE PERPERTATORS
              AS
              > DRIVEN BY A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE. RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS, ON THE
              > CONTRARY, PERSISTENTLY CLAIM THEIR RELIGION AS THEIR JUSTIFICATION AND
              SUCH
              > CLAIMS AND CLAIMANTS ARE VERY COMMON IN THE UMMAH. THEREFORE IT IS NOT
              > SURPRISING THAT THEY WILL BE DESCRIBED IN THE MEDIA AS MUSLIM TERRORISTS.
              > THEY PROCLAIM THIS AS THEIR JUSTIFICATION AS THOUGH FROM THE ROOF TOPS.
              IF
              > MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE THIS CHARACTERIZATION THEN THEY SHOULD DENOUNCE THESE
              > ACTS WHEN THEY OCCUR, NOT APPLAUD THEM!


              Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist,
              > etc.' linked with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may
              or
              > may
              > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
              > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
              > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
              > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
              > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
              > meaning 'peace'.
              >
              > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
              > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
              > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make
              > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
              > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
              > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
              > from their homes.

              THIS SEEMS TO BE A SPECIAL CASE CLAIM DESIGNED TO JUSTIFY PALESTINIAN >
              > ACTIONS.

              It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
              > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
              > trees and livestock. Nowhere does Islam enjoin the killing of
              innocents....
              > The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
              > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah Swt
              > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190)

              OKAY, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS CITED?

              "If they seek peace, then > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He
              is
              > the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
              >
              > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
              > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
              > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
              > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
              > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

              BUT MUSLIMS ALSO BELIEVE IN THE JIHAD AS HOLY WAR WHICH IS NOT, IN
              PRINCIPLE,
              DIFFERENT FROM THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADE. IN FACT, THE MUSLIMS PURSUED JIHAD
              LONG
              BEFORE EUROPE INVENTED THE CRUSADE AND ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE CRUSADES
              BEGAN AS A REACTION TO JIHAD.


              > 2: Islam oppresses women
              >
              > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
              > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
              > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
              > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
              > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
              > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
              > equality.
              >
              THIS IS TRUE. NOT ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES OR CULTURES ARE AS EXTREMIST IN THIS
              REGARD THE SAUDIS AND THE TALIBAN.

              > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
              > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
              > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
              > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her
              > property and earnings.
              >
              > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
              > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
              > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way that
              > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
              > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
              > kindest to his wife."
              >

              I SUSPECT THAT WESTERN FEMINISM MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY DELIGHTED WITH THIS CALL
              FOR KINDNESS TO ONE'S WIFE SINCE IT IMPLIES SHE IS LESS THAN, AND DEPENDENT
              ON, HER MALE PARTNER. THE ISLAMIC TEACHING, EVEN THOUGH IT DEMANDS KINDNESS
              TO WOMEN (WHILE NOT ALWAYS CLEARLY DEFINING THAT) DOES NOT ENVISION THE
              MARRIAGE BOND AS ONE OF EQUAL PARTNERSHIP, WHATEVER ELSE ONE SAYS ABOUT IT.

              > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
              > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
              > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
              > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
              > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
              > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
              > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think may
              > be suitable.
              >
              THIS IS MOST LIKELY PRACTICED MORE IN PRINCIPLE THAN FACT THOUGH I HAVE NO
              STATISTICAL DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM AND SO MUST ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS ONLY A
              SENSE I HAVE FROM OBSERVING ISLAMIC CULTURE IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD.

              > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
              >
              > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
              > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
              > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
              > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
              > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ used
              > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an identical
              > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
              > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
              > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in the
              > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
              > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
              > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
              > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
              > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
              > like attributions as found in other faiths.
              >

              NO ARGUMENT HERE EXCEPT TO POINT OUT THAT ALL THE THREE MONOTHEISTIC
              RELIGIONS ASSUME AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC GOD. WHAT ELSE IS A GOD WHO ACTS IN THE
              WORLD, WHO SPEAKS WITH HUMANS, ETC.? EVEN IF THE IMAGE IS NOT ONE OF AN OLD
              MAN WITH A LONG WHITE BEARD FLOATING IN THE SKY, IT IS STILL ANTHROPOMORPHIC
              TO CLAIM GOD SPEAKS TO MAN, SENDS MESSENGERS, ACTS IN HISTORICAL TIME, ETC.

              > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
              >
              > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
              > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
              > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
              > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
              > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
              > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
              > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
              > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
              >
              SO ALLAH DOESN'T FORBID YOU FROM "DEALING KINDLY AND JUSTLY WITH THEM"? I
              TAKE IT HE DOESN'T INSIST ON IT THEN? SO IT'S A MATTER OF CHOICE?

              AS A MATTER OF FACT, ISLAM WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IN A CONFLICT WITH OTHER
              TRIBAL GROUPS IN ARABIA AND IT MADE ITS INITIAL SWEEP ONTO THE WORLD STAGE
              AS
              PART OF A WAR OF CONQUEST IN WHICH CONVERSION BY THE SWORD WAS HELD TO BE A
              LEGITIMATE AIM OF ITS SOLDIERY. ITS SUBSEQUENT HISTORY WAS LARGELY ONE OF
              WAR
              AND CONFLICT, FIRST WITH OTHERS (EUROPEANS, ETC.) AND LATER WITHIN ITS OWN
              MILIEU AS ONE ISLAMIC GROUP BROKE OFF AND CONTESTED WITH ANOTHER.

              > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
              > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction
              > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
              >

              BUT CONVERSION BY THE SWORD IS AUTHORIZED AND EVEN ADVOCATED. OF COURSE ONE
              MUST SINCERELY EMBRACE THE FAITH, EVEN AFTER THE SWORD HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN OR
              ONE COULD BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER INDUCEMENTS. NOW, TURTHFULLY, ISLAM, SHORTLY
              AFTER ITS EMERGENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE, DECIDED NOT TO FORCE CONVERSION ON
              CHRISTIANS AND JEWS SINCE THEY WERE DEEMED RESPECTABLE AS PEOPLES OF THE
              BOOK
              (EVEN IF MISGUIDED). BUT ALL PAGANS AND OTHER RELIGIOUS ADHERENTS (LIKE THE
              ZOROASTRIANS) WERE NOT AFFORDED THAT SAME LUXURY. IT WAS CONVERT OR DIE. AS
              FOR CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, WELL SOMEBODY HAD TO PAY TAXES AND IN THOSE EARLY
              DAYS ONLY INFIDELS WERE EXPECTED TO DO THAT!

              > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
              > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
              > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any
              > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
              > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
              > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
              > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
              > Protestantism..."
              >

              NICE THOUGHT BUT NOT CONSISTENT WITH HISTORICAL FACTS. ISLAM EVERYWHERE
              FORCED CONVERSION WHEN IT SWEPT THROUGH OTHER LANDS IN ITS EARLIEST DAYS.
              LATER, THEY ESTABLISHED A MORE TOLERANT QUID PRO QUO TO ENSURE TAX REVENUES.

              > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
              > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
              > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples
              > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
              > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
              > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
              > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
              > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
              > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the
              > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up
              > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
              > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
              > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
              > not.
              >
              WHEN CHRISTIANITY WAS AT ITS MOST INTOLERANT AND ISLAM MILITARILY
              TRIUMPHANT,
              THE MUSLIMS WERE, INDEED, MORE TOLERANT THAN THE CHRISTIANS. BUT THEY ALSO
              HAVE A CLEAR HISTORY OF INTOLERANCE, WITNESS WHAT THEY DID TO THE BA'HAIS
              AND
              JUST LOOK AT HOW THEY TREAT OTHER RELIGIONS IN MANY OF THE CORE MUSLIM
              COUNTRIES TODAY (LIKE SAUDI ARABIA). IT IS DISINGENUOUS TO CLAIM THAT ISLAM
              IS A TOLERANT RELIGION AT ITS CORE. IT HAS STRANDS OF TOLERANCE AND
              INTOLERANCE BUT PLAINLY THE INTOLERANT STRANDS APPEAR TO BE DOMINATING IN
              KEY
              MUSLIM COUNTRIES TODAY.

              > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
              > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
              > Swt
              > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
              > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to
              > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
              > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
              > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
              >
              TRUE, BUT THE QU'RAN ALSO SPEAKS OF ACCEPTING WHOMEVER ALLAH HAS PLACED OVER
              YOU, EVEN IF HE BE BLACK AS NIGHT WITH A HEAD LIKE A RAISIN! NICE THOUGHT
              THAT WE ARE ALL EQUAL, BUT THERE'S AN IMPLICIT NEGATIVITY ABOUT PEOPLE OF
              AFRICAN DESCENT IN ISLAM WHICH COMES OUT VERY CLEARLY FROM THIS KIND OF
              STATEMENT. AS WITH THE MATTER OF BEING NICE TO OUR WIVES, I THINK THIS
              DOESN'T REALLY GO FAR ENOUGH, GIVEN TODAY'S MORE ENLIGHTENED CONCEPTS.

              > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
              >
              > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
              > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
              > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
              > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic faith.
              > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
              > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan. Thirty
              > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
              > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and 10%
              > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
              > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim minorities
              > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they are
              > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
              > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
              > States.
              >

              AGREED, ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS AND, IN FACT, NOT ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS
              (THOUGH MOST ARE).


              > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
              >
              > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
              > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
              > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
              > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
              > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
              > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be
              > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
              > Farrakhan.
              >

              IT WASN'T CREATED BY FARRAKHAN BUT BY A MAN NAMED W. D. FARD WHO CLAIMED TO
              BE THE INCARNATION OF ALLAH AND HIS DESIGNATED PROPHET, A MAN NAMED ELIJAH
              POOLE WHO TOOK THE NAME ELIJAH MUHAMMED. IT IS THE CASE, THOUGH, THAT ITS
              TEACHINGS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH TRUE ISLAM.

              > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
              > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the
              > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
              > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
              > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
              > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
              > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
              > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
              >
              > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
              > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
              > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
              > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
              > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
              > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
              > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
              >
              > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
              > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
              > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
              > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
              > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
              > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
              > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
              > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
              >
              > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
              >
              > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
              > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
              > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to wars,
              > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances men
              > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
              > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral evils.
              > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
              > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.

              OH GIVE ME A BREAK! IT WAS AND IS A CULTURAL THING WHICH ISLAM ACCEPTED AND
              ENDORSED WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS. IF ISLAM HAD DEVELOPED IN A PLACE WHERE
              MONOGAMY WAS THE RULE, THEN YOU CAN BET MUHAMMED WOULD HAVE ENDORSED
              MONOGAMY.

              > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
              > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her husband.
              > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
              > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
              > the permission to remarry.
              >

              I LOVE THIS IDEA BUT MY WIFE DOESN'T. GO FIGURE.

              > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
              > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
              > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
              > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
              > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
              >
              BUT ISLAM HAS NO MORAL EVILS IN ITS SOCIETY? PERSONALLY I THINK DRACONIAN
              MEDIEVAL LAWS ENFORCED AGAINST PEOPLE, AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST OTHER
              RELIGIONS (AS IS PRACTICED IN PLACES LIKE SAUDI ARABIS) ARE PRETTY MORALLY
              REPUGNANT. AND ISLAM HAS BEEN A BASTION OF SLAVERY FOR CENTURIES. ALSO,
              SODOMY IS HARDLY UNKNOWN IN ISLAMIC LANDS. I SUGGEST THAT THE CHRISTIAN WEST
              DOES NOT HAVE A LOCK ON MORAL EVILS AND THAT ISLAM CAN HOLD ITS OWN IN THIS
              REGARD!


              > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
              >
              > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
              > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
              > Swt worthy of worship.
              >
              ISLAM SPREAD RAPIDLY AND PEACEFULLY IN LANDS IT LARGELY CONQUERED FIRST. I
              SUPPOSE IT'S GENERALLY A GOOD IDEA TO JOIN YOUR CONQUEROR IF HE'S WILLING TO
              ADMIT YOU TO THE FOLD!

              It also repeatedly instructs man to use his >
              > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
              > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to the
              > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and
              > woman'.
              >

              ISLAM DID, INDEED, SUPPORT A GOLDEN AGE IN WHICH SCHOLARSHIP AND LEARNING
              FLOURISHED, AS DID MANY ASCENDANT CIVILIZATIONS DURING THEIR PERIODS OF
              ASCENDENCY.

              > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
              > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
              > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
              > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
              > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
              > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
              > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
              > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
              > good navigational maps.
              >

              TRUE ENOUGH! ISLAM HAD A GREAT AND GLORIOUS CIVILIZATION AT ITS HEIGHT!


              > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
              >
              > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
              > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
              > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
              > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
              > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
              > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
              > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
              > detested the decadence of his society.
              >
              > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira
              > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
              > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
              > from Allaah
              > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
              > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
              > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth which
              > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
              > group of
              > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
              > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
              > emigrate.
              >
              > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
              > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar. After
              > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
              > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
              > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
              > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
              > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as China.
              >

              YEP, VIA A SERIES OF WARS OF CONQUEST LED BY MUHAMMAD'S SUCCESSORS!

              > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
              > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
              > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
              > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
              > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
              > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
              > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
              > final messenger
              > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
              > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
              > worship him.
              >

              EXCEPT THAT THE BA'HAIS DON'T ACCEPT THAT AND SO WERE DRUMMED OUT OF ISLAM.
              SO TOO WERE THE DRUZE. AND, OF COURSE, THE SIKHS MELDED ISLAM AND ELEMENTS
              OF
              HINDUISM TO CREATE THEIR OWN NEW RELIGION. SO WHO IS TO SAY THAT ISLAM IS
              RIGHT AND THAT MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST PROPHET? DIDN'T THE CHRISTIANS ALSO SAY
              THAT CHRIST WAS THE LAST, THE CULMINATION OF GOD'S REVELATIONS? THERE IS NO
              BASIS FOR CLAIMING THAT MUHAMMAD CAPPED ALL REVELATIONS EXCEPT THAT
              MUHAMMAD'S FOLLOWERS ASSERT THIS AND, IN THEIR HEYDAY, ENFORCED THIS VIEW
              VIA
              THE SWORD.

              > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
              > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
              > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
              > (Qur'an 33:45-
              > 46)
              >
              > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
              >
              > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
              > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
              > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
              > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
              > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
              > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation as
              > follows:
              >
              > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
              > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
              > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
              > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
              > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
              > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
              > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
              > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
              > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
              > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
              >
              > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
              > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
              > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
              > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (Qur'an
              > 3:59)
              >
              > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
              > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
              > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
              > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
              > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
              > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
              >
              > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
              > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
              > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
              >
              > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
              > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
              > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
              > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
              > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
              >
              > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
              > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad (SAW)
              > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and messenger
              > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
              > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
              > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
              >

              OH WELL. I WILL NOT DISPUTE HERE WHAT THE Q'URAN IS REPORTED TO SAY. ONLY
              POINT OUT THAT IT IS BUT ONE BOOK AMONG A MULTITUDE OF ALLEGEDLY HOLY BOOKS.
              AND WHO IS TO SAY ONE IS MORE HOLY OR MORE TRUE THAN THE OTHERS? ISN'T IT TI
              ME WE LOOKED AT THINGS OBJECTIVELY INSTEAD OF ENABLING FANATICISM THROUGH
              SELF-PROCLAIMED ASSERTIONS OF THE "ONE TRUTH"?




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              As I ve done previously, I question your claim about the corrupt and immoral state you claim Israel to be. You have held this position for some time and none
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                As I've done previously, I question your claim about the "corrupt and
                immoral
                state" you claim Israel to be. You have held this position for some time and
                none of my arguments against it seem to have made a dent in your claim, even
                when it was clear that you were wrong on facts and that your generalizations
                went well beyond what your marshalled facts could support. I have long
                since,
                therefore, given up on having any real kind of dialogue with you on a matter
                to which you are clearly ideologically committed, for whatever spurious
                reasons you may marshall. One cannot argue with "true believers" whatever
                their claims since they are not interested in facts or in anything that
                might
                prompt them to change their minds.

                However, I will address your point that Jews are not as tolerant as I
                suggested. In fact, as in all religions (including Islam), there are many
                strands. The Jews have their true believers and fanatics too. I was
                referring
                to the main body of Jews which have historically been among the most liberal
                groups in modern history, supporting the rights of others, decrying
                prejudice
                and discrimination wherever it arises, largely reflecting their own history
                of being on the receiving end of such behavior, culminating in the events in
                Europe during the period when Nazi Germany was ascendant. I know you have
                questioned whether Hitler was really so bad afterall and have raised claims
                that he was justified in his desire to eliminate the Jews since Jews
                allegedly collaborated in the defeat of Germany during World War I. But that
                is historically spurious clap-trap and though you (and the Nazis before you)
                can claim it, it doesn't make it true. People can and do claim all sorts of
                nonsense and it is incumbent upon us to point out errors to them, when they
                occur, and contest such silliness, but when that falls on deaf ears, there
                is
                no reason to push the matter further. Bottom line is that my point that the
                Jews learned what it is like to be victims from their history and reacted in
                a variety of ways, one of the main ways being a decided penchant for
                liberalism, is still sound.

                Of course, there were those who came out of the crucible of Nazism with a
                determination never to be a victim again and these did not all shift toward
                liberalism but rather to a hard-headed nationalist mentality and some of
                that
                got infused into zionism, one of your pet bug-a-boos, so there is certain
                mixture here, as with all groups. But my point remains the same, that modern
                Jews, on balance, are tolerant, as are modern Christians, while modern
                Muslims, on balance, are much less so and certainly their religious leaders
                even less than that!

                As to your questioning my "suggestion" that Islam was founded as a religion
                of conquest, why not just go back and look at the historical facts? Within a
                generation of Muhammad's death, his followers swept out of Arabia and
                conquered the Middle East, the northern coast of Africa and Persia.
                Thereafter Islam pressed forward into Spain and France in the west, into the
                Caucasus in the north and into India in the east. Unlike Christianity, which
                was generally spread by missionaries, Islam traveled with the sword. Granted
                there are other, less violent elements in Islam, as I've already noted, but
                at its core was conquest and the sword. The rhetoric of its most assertive
                adherents today reflects that. We don't hear about Christian, Jewish or
                Buddhist clerics today threatening individual Muslims or the Islamic world
                generally as we hear of Muslim clerics calling for fatwas and worse against
                us. To disregard this in order to make the claim that Islam is no more
                threatening to the West than we are to them is the height of hypocrisy and
                selective reasoning.

                SWM

                In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:27:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
                tommy@... writes:


                > At 2:00 pm -0400 1/8/02, swmirsky@... wrote:
                > >Judaism in its formative years was extremely intolerant
                > >though after 2000 years of exile they have learned the value of
                tolerance.
                >
                > This generalisation seems highly questionable. Especially when it
                > accompanies a suggestion that Islam was founded as a religion of
                > conquest.
                >
                > I don't know who the "they" you claim have learned the value of
                > tolerance are: do you mean Jews, Zionists, orthodox believers in
                > Judaism? It is difficult to make generalisations without also lying
                > or being inaccurate as we have seen.
                >
                > It does seem to me quite obvious though that whatever you think about
                > "the Jews" as a people, that have, to the extent that they can be
                > considered a homogeneous entity, been forced to live as a diaspora,
                > living in host countries as well as they can, you must conclude that
                > the state of Israel being the entity of zionism (rather than,
                > necessarily of "the Jews") is an entity that exemplifies intolerance
                > rather as did Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa. In other words
                > that it disriminates overtly on the basis of ethnicity and religion.
                >
                > I thought James Tan's quoted material was quite apt making the
                > distinction between what occurs politically in "Islamic" countries
                > and the tenets of Islam.
                >
                > Just because Israel is a corrupt and immoral state that has no basis
                > for existence in the modern world is no reason to condemn "the Jews"
                > or Judaism. This is analogous to the argument about Islamic countries
                > and the Muslim religion.
                >
                > Tommy
                >





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                James, The last I heard the U.N. has buffer outposts all around the world (including Cyprus... as I mentioned). I don t understand your question. Are you
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                  James,

                  The last I heard the U.N. has buffer outposts all around the world
                  (including Cyprus... as I mentioned). I don't understand your
                  question. Are you asking if the the U.N. has the ability to pass
                  resolutions? Or the aforementioned ability to place peace keepers
                  around the world? Or something else?

                  ~ confused

                  ------------------

                  --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                  >
                  > does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested?
                  >
                  > james.
                  >
                  >
                  > From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@h...>
                  > Reply-To: existlist@y...
                  > To: existlist@y...
                  > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                  > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:28:26 -0000
                  >
                  >
                  > Bill,
                  >
                  > I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly
                  antagonizes
                  > the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue.
                  Israel
                  > was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
                  > Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
                  > the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of
                  gentiles.
                  >
                  > However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated
                  in a
                  > way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there
                  thousands
                  > of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
                  > open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
                  > decided they wanted their land back!!!!
                  >
                  > By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
                  > exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
                  > Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen
                  the
                  > psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
                  > is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
                  > as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
                  > girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).
                  >
                  > The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
                  > cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
                  > eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
                  > seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
                  > the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
                  > I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
                  > Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
                  > nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
                  > not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
                  > even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
                  > would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the
                  Islamic
                  > religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
                  > want the land of their ancestors back?
                  >
                  > What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
                  > policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
                  > right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
                  > disgusting manner.
                  >
                  > I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
                  > being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
                  > children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
                  > strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
                  > extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.
                  >
                  > All that being said, what should be done now is not the
                  > dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
                  > and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable
                  for
                  > either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
                  > between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is
                  the
                  > only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
                  > appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
                  > retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.
                  >
                  > This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
                  > veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
                  > solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
                  > high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
                  > the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
                  > Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a
                  9/11)
                  > one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
                  > calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
                  > Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to
                  have
                  > the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They
                  use
                  > what they have at there disposal.
                  >
                  > If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
                  > is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
                  > likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
                  > the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
                  > a fundimentalist.
                  >
                  > ~ peace through superior firepower?
                  >
                  > ---------------------------------------------
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
                  > > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I
                  hope
                  > views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to
                  their
                  > young people. Bill
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: clickhereforinsignificance
                  > > To: existlist@y...
                  > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
                  > > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
                  > writer
                  > > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
                  > the
                  > > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred
                  towards
                  > the
                  > > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
                  > have
                  > > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
                  > thousands
                  > > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of
                  the
                  > > East'.
                  > >
                  > > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
                  > capable
                  > > and as decent as any other, but the system they have
                  implemented
                  > > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
                  > politics
                  > > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine
                  around
                  > the
                  > > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist
                  related)
                  > and
                  > > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe,
                  and
                  > of
                  > > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
                  > theory.
                  > >
                  > > The West effectively used a similar technique against
                  > Communism
                  > > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
                  > end,
                  > > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
                  > > economic/political system allows for. And although there has
                  been
                  > > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of
                  them
                  > > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
                  > >
                  > > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
                  > and
                  > > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
                  > > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's
                  world.
                  > > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like
                  christianity
                  > > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
                  > > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover
                  Western
                  > > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
                  > for
                  > > military puppet governments after the cold war.
                  > >
                  > > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
                  > every
                  > > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be
                  won
                  > by
                  > > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear
                  annhilation
                  > of
                  > > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
                  > the
                  > > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
                  > effective
                  > > towards accomplishing tasks.
                  > >
                  > > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any
                  other
                  > > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq,
                  Syria,
                  > > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
                  > Algeria,
                  > > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil
                  would
                  > > still remain to plunder.
                  > >
                  > > And yet they do not.
                  > >
                  > > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
                  > important
                  > > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
                  > die...
                  > > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
                  > >
                  > > ~ tired of petty wars
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > well, just a forward..
                  > > >
                  > > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
                  > > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
                  > > > To: Fateha@y...
                  > > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                  > > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
                  > > > ABOUT ISLAM
                  > > >
                  > > > By Huma Ahmad
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
                  > > >
                  > > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
                  > resulting
                  > > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
                  > Islam.
                  > > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
                  > Catholic
                  > > IRA
                  > > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian
                  Orthodox
                  > > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these
                  acts
                  > are
                  > > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
                  > > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
                  > times
                  > > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist,
                  etc.'
                  > > linked
                  > > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may
                  or
                  > may
                  > > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
                  > will use
                  > > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult
                  the
                  > > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
                  > says
                  > > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
                  > > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
                  > word
                  > > > meaning 'peace'.
                  > > >
                  > > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
                  > Perhaps
                  > > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in
                  the
                  > West,
                  > > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
                  > they
                  > > make
                  > > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
                  > > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
                  > defence of
                  > > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
                  > forcibly
                  > > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
                  > include
                  > > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
                  > crops,
                  > > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
                  > > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah
                  Swt
                  > > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
                  > Allaah
                  > > Swt
                  > > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
                  > peace,
                  > > then
                  > > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One
                  that
                  > > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
                  > > >
                  > > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
                  > rigorous
                  > > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
                  > literally
                  > > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
                  > jihad.
                  > > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
                  > everyone
                  > > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining
                  inner
                  > > peace.
                  > > >
                  > > > 2: Islam oppresses women
                  > > >
                  > > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
                  > forced to
                  > > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
                  > people's
                  > > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
                  > oppress
                  > > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
                  > these
                  > > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law)
                  and
                  > > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of
                  gender
                  > > > equality.
                  > > >
                  > > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles
                  and
                  > > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
                  > example of
                  > > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married,
                  as
                  > an
                  > > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and
                  dispose
                  > of
                  > > her
                  > > > property and earnings.
                  > > >
                  > > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her
                  own
                  > > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
                  > taking
                  > > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
                  > way
                  > > that
                  > > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt
                  said: "The
                  > most
                  > > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in
                  manner
                  > and
                  > > > kindest to his wife."
                  > > >
                  > > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
                  > their
                  > > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a
                  simple,
                  > > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
                  > > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
                  > > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as
                  a
                  > last
                  > > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
                  > marry
                  > > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
                  > think
                  > > may
                  > > > be suitable.
                  > > >
                  > > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
                  > > >
                  > > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
                  > Muslims
                  > > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it
                  is an
                  > > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God
                  and
                  > > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word
                  which
                  > the
                  > > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
                  > Christ
                  > > used
                  > > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
                  > > identical
                  > > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
                  > same God
                  > > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe
                  that
                  > > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship
                  and
                  > in
                  > > the
                  > > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed
                  through
                  > His
                  > > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
                  > many
                  > > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that
                  God
                  > in
                  > > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
                  > does not
                  > > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
                  > human-
                  > > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
                  > > >
                  > > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other
                  faiths.
                  > > >
                  > > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of
                  an
                  > Arab
                  > > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
                  > other,
                  > > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
                  > correct
                  > > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
                  > freedom of
                  > > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids
                  you
                  > not,
                  > > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
                  > drive
                  > > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
                  > them; for
                  > > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
                  > > >
                  > > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There
                  is
                  > no
                  > > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
                  > > direction
                  > > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
                  > > >
                  > > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his
                  study
                  > of
                  > > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
                  > attempt to
                  > > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population,
                  or
                  > of
                  > > any
                  > > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
                  > religion,
                  > > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either
                  course
                  > of
                  > > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
                  > > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
                  > made
                  > > > Protestantism..."
                  > > >
                  > > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
                  > status of
                  > > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
                  > > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
                  > > examples
                  > > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph
                  Omar
                  > > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
                  > worship
                  > > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
                  > > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and
                  that
                  > their
                  > > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked
                  the
                  > > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
                  > all
                  > > the
                  > > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities
                  to
                  > set
                  > > up
                  > > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
                  > > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens
                  in
                  > an
                  > > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
                  > Muslim or
                  > > > not.
                  > > >
                  > > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
                  > > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
                  > > > Swt
                  > > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
                  > > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
                  > come
                  > > to
                  > > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
                  > Swt 's
                  > > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
                  > > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
                  > > >
                  > > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
                  > > >
                  > > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
                  > out of
                  > > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
                  > range of
                  > > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
                  > the
                  > > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common
                  Islamic
                  > > faith.
                  > > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
                  > > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of
                  Pakistan.
                  > > Thirty
                  > > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in
                  Sub-
                  > > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
                  > and
                  > > 10%
                  > > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
                  > make up
                  > > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
                  > > minorities
                  > > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
                  > they
                  > > are
                  > > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states,
                  India
                  > and
                  > > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the
                  United
                  > > > States.
                  > > >
                  > > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
                  > > >
                  > > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
                  > different
                  > > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
                  > members
                  > > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this
                  group
                  > to be
                  > > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
                  > gain.
                  > > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the
                  language
                  > used
                  > > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
                  > should
                  > > be
                  > > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
                  > > > Farrakhan.
                  > > >
                  > > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
                  > example,
                  > > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
                  > was
                  > > the
                  > > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is
                  no
                  > > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of
                  Allaah
                  > Swt ,
                  > > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many
                  other
                  > > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have
                  little
                  > to do
                  > > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim
                  to
                  > > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
                  > > >
                  > > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and
                  find
                  > the
                  > > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
                  > Muslim
                  > > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
                  > under the
                  > > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the
                  direct
                  > > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
                  > form the
                  > > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
                  > religion
                  > > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
                  > > >
                  > > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
                  > being
                  > > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
                  > should be
                  > > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam,
                  such an
                  > > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam
                  but
                  > > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
                  > Islam. In
                  > > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
                  > Read
                  > > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the
                  true
                  > > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
                  > > >
                  > > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
                  > > >
                  > > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The
                  underlying
                  > > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
                  > population of
                  > > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due
                  to
                  > > wars,
                  > > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
                  > circumstances
                  > > men
                  > > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would
                  have
                  > > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other
                  moral
                  > > evils.
                  > > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
                  > solution
                  > > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained
                  polygamy.
                  > > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other
                  ailments
                  > a
                  > > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
                  > > husband.
                  > > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to
                  practise
                  > > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has
                  given
                  > men
                  > > > the permission to remarry.
                  > > >
                  > > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
                  > husband is
                  > > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
                  > humanly
                  > > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
                  > on the
                  > > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in
                  horrible
                  > > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their
                  society.
                  > > >
                  > > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
                  > > >
                  > > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
                  > was the
                  > > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
                  > Allaah
                  > > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to
                  use
                  > his
                  > > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
                  > great
                  > > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for
                  according
                  > to
                  > > the
                  > > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
                  > man
                  > > and
                  > > > woman'.
                  > > >
                  > > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
                  > with
                  > > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
                  > physics,
                  > > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
                  > history.
                  > > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals,
                  and
                  > also
                  > > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
                  > mathematics),
                  > > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
                  > > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages
                  of
                  > > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the
                  quadrant
                  > and
                  > > > good navigational maps.
                  > > >
                  > > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims
                  worship
                  > him
                  > > >
                  > > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
                  > his
                  > > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
                  > afterwards, he
                  > > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh.
                  As
                  > he
                  > > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
                  > > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
                  > arbitrate
                  > > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and
                  meditative.
                  > > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and
                  had
                  > long
                  > > > detested the decadence of his society.
                  > > >
                  > > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
                  > of
                  > > Hira
                  > > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
                  > retreat,
                  > > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
                  > > > from Allaah
                  > > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
                  > > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
                  > began to
                  > > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the
                  truth
                  > > which
                  > > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
                  > > > group of
                  > > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
                  > that in
                  > > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
                  > > > emigrate.
                  > > >
                  > > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
                  > Makkah for
                  > > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim
                  calendar.
                  > > After
                  > > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able
                  to
                  > > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
                  > established
                  > > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age
                  of
                  > 63,
                  > > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century
                  of
                  > his
                  > > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east
                  as
                  > > China.
                  > > >
                  > > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message,
                  he
                  > is
                  > > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
                  > Islam
                  > > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
                  > Muslims
                  > > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
                  > were all
                  > > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet
                  was
                  > sent
                  > > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
                  > > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
                  > > > final messenger
                  > > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and
                  honour
                  > him
                  > > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they
                  do
                  > not
                  > > > worship him.
                  > > >
                  > > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
                  > bearer
                  > > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto
                  Allaah
                  > > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
                  > > > (Qur'an 33:45-
                  > > > 46)
                  > > >
                  > > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
                  > > >
                  > > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second
                  Coming.
                  > They
                  > > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers
                  to
                  > > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
                  > but
                  > > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin
                  birth (a
                  > > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
                  > considered the
                  > > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
                  > Annunciation
                  > > as
                  > > > follows:
                  > > >
                  > > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
                  > purified
                  > > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
                  > Allaah
                  > > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall
                  be
                  > the
                  > > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and
                  the
                  > > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
                  > shall
                  > > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and
                  shall
                  > be of
                  > > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
                  > when no
                  > > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates
                  what
                  > He
                  > > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it
                  is."
                  > > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
                  > > >
                  > > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which
                  had
                  > > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the
                  likeness
                  > of
                  > > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of
                  Adam. He
                  > > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
                  > > (Qur'an
                  > > > 3:59)
                  > > >
                  > > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles.
                  The
                  > > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
                  > from
                  > > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
                  > of a
                  > > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah
                  Swt 's
                  > > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
                  > dead by
                  > > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
                  > > >
                  > > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
                  > basic
                  > > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
                  > > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
                  > > >
                  > > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he
                  came: "And I
                  > have
                  > > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat
                  (Torah),
                  > and
                  > > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and
                  I
                  > have
                  > > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt
                  and
                  > obey
                  > > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
                  > > >
                  > > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there
                  is
                  > no
                  > > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
                  > Muhammad
                  > > (SAW)
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                  > > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
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                  Click, I cannot disagree with your look at the middle east. All sides claim moral superiority while acting in narrow self interest. Two things can break the
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                    Click, I cannot disagree with your look at the middle east. All sides claim moral superiority while acting in narrow self interest. Two things can break the deadlock. The oil runs out, or the Jews give up. I really see the Arabs slowly gaining the upper hand in this. The bomber strategy is very effective and fits the religious model of the Islamic warrior. A foolish zealot makes a cost effective delivery system.
                    Listening to on the street interviews from Telaviv, I denoted a defeatist attitude in some of the populace. I do not think the Jews can hold out fifty years until the oil runs out. I think many of those with money and connections are migrating out. Living seems more important than religion. The Arabs have little to lose but when the oil money stops the mideast will return to the hell hole it was before WW1.
                    One thing I think the Bush people clearly understand is that our national interest is a three letter word, OIL. . The US will twist and turn and play many games to assure we have what we need. Blood for oil is a hard political sell and Bush has to get reelected. I think a second term for Bush means a general war in that region. Bill
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: clickhereforinsignificance
                    To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:28 PM
                    Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM



                    Bill,

                    I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
                    the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
                    was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
                    Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
                    the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

                    However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
                    way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
                    of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
                    open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
                    decided they wanted their land back!!!!

                    By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
                    exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
                    Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
                    psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
                    is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
                    as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
                    girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

                    The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
                    cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
                    eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
                    seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
                    the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
                    I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
                    Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
                    nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
                    not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
                    even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
                    would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
                    religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
                    want the land of their ancestors back?

                    What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
                    policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
                    right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
                    disgusting manner.

                    I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
                    being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
                    children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
                    strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
                    extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

                    All that being said, what should be done now is not the
                    dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
                    and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
                    either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
                    between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
                    only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
                    appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
                    retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

                    This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
                    veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
                    solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
                    high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
                    the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
                    Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
                    one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
                    calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
                    Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
                    the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
                    what they have at there disposal.

                    If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
                    is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
                    likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
                    the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
                    a fundimentalist.

                    ~ peace through superior firepower?

                    ---------------------------------------------



                    --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
                    > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
                    views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
                    young people. Bill
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: clickhereforinsignificance
                    > To: existlist@y...
                    > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
                    > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
                    writer
                    > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
                    the
                    > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
                    the
                    > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
                    have
                    > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
                    thousands
                    > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
                    > East'.
                    >
                    > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
                    capable
                    > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
                    > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
                    politics
                    > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
                    the
                    > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
                    and
                    > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
                    of
                    > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
                    theory.
                    >
                    > The West effectively used a similar technique against
                    Communism
                    > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
                    end,
                    > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
                    > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
                    > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
                    > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
                    >
                    > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
                    and
                    > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
                    > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
                    > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
                    > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
                    > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
                    > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
                    for
                    > military puppet governments after the cold war.
                    >
                    > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
                    every
                    > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
                    by
                    > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
                    of
                    > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
                    the
                    > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
                    effective
                    > towards accomplishing tasks.
                    >
                    > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
                    > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
                    > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
                    Algeria,
                    > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
                    > still remain to plunder.
                    >
                    > And yet they do not.
                    >
                    > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
                    important
                    > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
                    die...
                    > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
                    >
                    > ~ tired of petty wars
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > well, just a forward..
                    > >
                    > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
                    > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
                    > > To: Fateha@y...
                    > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                    > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
                    > > ABOUT ISLAM
                    > >
                    > > By Huma Ahmad
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
                    > >
                    > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
                    resulting
                    > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
                    Islam.
                    > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
                    Catholic
                    > IRA
                    > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
                    > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
                    are
                    > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
                    > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
                    times
                    > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
                    > linked
                    > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
                    may
                    > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
                    will use
                    > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
                    > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
                    says
                    > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
                    > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
                    word
                    > > meaning 'peace'.
                    > >
                    > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
                    Perhaps
                    > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
                    West,
                    > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
                    they
                    > make
                    > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
                    > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
                    defence of
                    > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
                    forcibly
                    > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
                    include
                    > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
                    crops,
                    > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
                    > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
                    > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
                    Allaah
                    > Swt
                    > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
                    peace,
                    > then
                    > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
                    > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
                    > >
                    > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
                    rigorous
                    > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
                    literally
                    > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
                    jihad.
                    > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
                    everyone
                    > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
                    > peace.
                    > >
                    > > 2: Islam oppresses women
                    > >
                    > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
                    forced to
                    > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
                    people's
                    > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
                    oppress
                    > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
                    these
                    > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
                    > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
                    > > equality.
                    > >
                    > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
                    > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
                    example of
                    > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
                    an
                    > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
                    of
                    > her
                    > > property and earnings.
                    > >
                    > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
                    > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
                    taking
                    > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
                    way
                    > that
                    > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
                    most
                    > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
                    and
                    > > kindest to his wife."
                    > >
                    > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
                    their
                    > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
                    > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
                    > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
                    > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
                    last
                    > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
                    marry
                    > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
                    think
                    > may
                    > > be suitable.
                    > >
                    > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
                    > >
                    > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
                    Muslims
                    > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
                    > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
                    > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
                    the
                    > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
                    Christ
                    > used
                    > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
                    > identical
                    > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
                    same God
                    > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
                    > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
                    in
                    > the
                    > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
                    His
                    > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
                    many
                    > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
                    in
                    > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
                    does not
                    > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
                    human-
                    > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
                    > >
                    > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
                    > >
                    > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
                    Arab
                    > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
                    other,
                    > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
                    correct
                    > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
                    freedom of
                    > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
                    not,
                    > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
                    drive
                    > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
                    them; for
                    > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
                    > >
                    > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
                    no
                    > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
                    > direction
                    > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
                    > >
                    > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
                    of
                    > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
                    attempt to
                    > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
                    of
                    > any
                    > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
                    religion,
                    > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
                    of
                    > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
                    > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
                    made
                    > > Protestantism..."
                    > >
                    > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
                    status of
                    > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
                    > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
                    > examples
                    > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
                    > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
                    worship
                    > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
                    > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
                    their
                    > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
                    > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
                    all
                    > the
                    > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
                    set
                    > up
                    > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
                    > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
                    an
                    > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
                    Muslim or
                    > > not.
                    > >
                    > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
                    > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
                    > > Swt
                    > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
                    > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
                    come
                    > to
                    > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
                    Swt 's
                    > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
                    > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
                    > >
                    > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
                    > >
                    > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
                    out of
                    > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
                    range of
                    > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
                    the
                    > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
                    > faith.
                    > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
                    > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
                    > Thirty
                    > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
                    > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
                    and
                    > 10%
                    > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
                    make up
                    > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
                    > minorities
                    > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
                    they
                    > are
                    > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
                    and
                    > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
                    > > States.
                    > >
                    > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
                    > >
                    > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
                    different
                    > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
                    members
                    > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
                    to be
                    > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
                    gain.
                    > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
                    used
                    > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
                    should
                    > be
                    > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
                    > > Farrakhan.
                    > >
                    > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
                    example,
                    > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
                    was
                    > the
                    > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
                    > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
                    Swt ,
                    > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
                    > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
                    to do
                    > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
                    > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
                    > >
                    > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
                    the
                    > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
                    Muslim
                    > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
                    under the
                    > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
                    > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
                    form the
                    > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
                    religion
                    > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
                    > >
                    > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
                    being
                    > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
                    should be
                    > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
                    > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
                    > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
                    Islam. In
                    > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
                    Read
                    > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
                    > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
                    > >
                    > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
                    > >
                    > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
                    > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
                    population of
                    > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
                    > wars,
                    > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
                    circumstances
                    > men
                    > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
                    > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
                    > evils.
                    > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
                    solution
                    > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
                    > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
                    a
                    > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
                    > husband.
                    > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
                    > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
                    men
                    > > the permission to remarry.
                    > >
                    > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
                    husband is
                    > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
                    humanly
                    > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
                    on the
                    > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
                    > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
                    > >
                    > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
                    > >
                    > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
                    was the
                    > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
                    Allaah
                    > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
                    his
                    > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
                    great
                    > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
                    to
                    > the
                    > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
                    man
                    > and
                    > > woman'.
                    > >
                    > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
                    with
                    > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
                    physics,
                    > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
                    history.
                    > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
                    also
                    > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
                    mathematics),
                    > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
                    > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
                    > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
                    and
                    > > good navigational maps.
                    > >
                    > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
                    him
                    > >
                    > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
                    his
                    > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
                    afterwards, he
                    > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
                    he
                    > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
                    > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
                    arbitrate
                    > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
                    > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
                    long
                    > > detested the decadence of his society.
                    > >
                    > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
                    of
                    > Hira
                    > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
                    retreat,
                    > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
                    > > from Allaah
                    > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
                    > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
                    began to
                    > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
                    > which
                    > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
                    > > group of
                    > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
                    that in
                    > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
                    > > emigrate.
                    > >
                    > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
                    Makkah for
                    > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
                    > After
                    > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
                    > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
                    established
                    > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
                    63,
                    > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
                    his
                    > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
                    > China.
                    > >
                    > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
                    is
                    > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
                    Islam
                    > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
                    Muslims
                    > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
                    were all
                    > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
                    sent
                    > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
                    > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
                    > > final messenger
                    > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
                    him
                    > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
                    not
                    > > worship him.
                    > >
                    > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
                    bearer
                    > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
                    > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
                    > > (Qur'an 33:45-
                    > > 46)
                    > >
                    > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
                    > >
                    > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
                    They
                    > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
                    > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
                    but
                    > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
                    > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
                    considered the
                    > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
                    Annunciation
                    > as
                    > > follows:
                    > >
                    > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
                    purified
                    > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
                    Allaah
                    > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
                    the
                    > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
                    > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
                    shall
                    > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
                    be of
                    > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
                    when no
                    > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
                    He
                    > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
                    > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
                    > >
                    > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
                    > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
                    of
                    > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
                    > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
                    > (Qur'an
                    > > 3:59)
                    > >
                    > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
                    > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
                    from
                    > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
                    of a
                    > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
                    > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
                    dead by
                    > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
                    > >
                    > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
                    basic
                    > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
                    > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
                    > >
                    > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
                    have
                    > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
                    and
                    > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
                    have
                    > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
                    obey
                    > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
                    > >
                    > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
                    no
                    > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
                    Muhammad
                    > (SAW)
                    > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
                    > messenger
                    > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
                    emanating
                    > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
                    received by
                    > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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