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  • clickhereforinsignificance
    Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the religion. There is a great
    Message 1 of 11 , Aug 1, 2002
      Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer
      does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the
      religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards the
      west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too have
      our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of thousands
      of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
      East'.

      I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are capable
      and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
      (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's politics
      change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around the
      world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related) and
      the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and of
      course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power theory.

      The West effectively used a similar technique against Communism
      (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the end,
      they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
      economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
      pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
      wish to return to the 'old ways'.

      I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church and
      state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
      freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
      Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
      survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
      transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
      support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did for
      military puppet governments after the cold war.

      There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by every
      non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won by
      the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation of
      both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over the
      world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly effective
      towards accomplishing tasks.

      Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
      nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
      Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,
      Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
      still remain to plunder.

      And yet they do not.

      I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that important
      little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to die...
      but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.

      ~ tired of petty wars






      --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
      >
      > well, just a forward..
      >
      > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
      > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
      > To: Fateha@y...
      > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
      > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
      >
      >
      >
      > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
      > ABOUT ISLAM
      >
      > By Huma Ahmad
      >
      >
      > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
      >
      > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
      > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
      > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic
      IRA
      > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
      > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
      > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
      > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times
      > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
      linked
      > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or may
      > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
      > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
      > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
      > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
      > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
      > meaning 'peace'.
      >
      > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
      > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
      > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they
      make
      > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
      > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
      > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
      > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
      > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
      > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
      > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
      > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah
      Swt
      > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace,
      then
      > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
      > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
      >
      > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
      > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
      > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
      > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
      > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
      peace.
      >
      > 2: Islam oppresses women
      >
      > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
      > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
      > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
      > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
      > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
      > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
      > equality.
      >
      > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
      > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
      > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
      > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of
      her
      > property and earnings.
      >
      > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
      > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
      > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way
      that
      > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
      > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
      > kindest to his wife."
      >
      > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
      > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
      > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
      > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
      > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
      > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
      > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think
      may
      > be suitable.
      >
      > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
      >
      > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
      > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
      > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
      > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
      > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ
      used
      > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
      identical
      > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
      > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
      > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in
      the
      > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
      > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
      > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
      > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
      > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
      > like attributions as found in other faiths.
      >
      > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
      >
      > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
      > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
      > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
      > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
      > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
      > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
      > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
      > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
      >
      > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
      > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
      direction
      > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
      >
      > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
      > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
      > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of
      any
      > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
      > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
      > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
      > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
      > Protestantism..."
      >
      > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
      > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
      > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
      examples
      > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
      > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
      > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
      > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
      > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
      > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all
      the
      > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set
      up
      > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
      > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
      > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
      > not.
      >
      > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
      > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
      > Swt
      > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
      > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come
      to
      > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
      > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
      > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
      >
      > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
      >
      > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
      > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
      > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
      > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
      faith.
      > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
      > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
      Thirty
      > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
      > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and
      10%
      > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
      > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
      minorities
      > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they
      are
      > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
      > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
      > States.
      >
      > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
      >
      > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
      > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
      > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
      > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
      > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
      > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should
      be
      > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
      > Farrakhan.
      >
      > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
      > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was
      the
      > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
      > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
      > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
      > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
      > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
      > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
      >
      > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
      > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
      > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
      > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
      > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
      > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
      > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
      >
      > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
      > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
      > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
      > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
      > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
      > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
      > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
      > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
      >
      > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
      >
      > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
      > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
      > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
      wars,
      > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances
      men
      > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
      > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
      evils.
      > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
      > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
      > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
      > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
      husband.
      > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
      > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
      > the permission to remarry.
      >
      > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
      > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
      > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
      > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
      > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
      >
      > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
      >
      > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
      > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
      > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his
      > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
      > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to
      the
      > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man
      and
      > woman'.
      >
      > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
      > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
      > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
      > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
      > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
      > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
      > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
      > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
      > good navigational maps.
      >
      > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
      >
      > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
      > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
      > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
      > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
      > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
      > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
      > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
      > detested the decadence of his society.
      >
      > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of
      Hira
      > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
      > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
      > from Allaah
      > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
      > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
      > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
      which
      > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
      > group of
      > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
      > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
      > emigrate.
      >
      > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
      > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
      After
      > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
      > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
      > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
      > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
      > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
      China.
      >
      > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
      > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
      > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
      > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
      > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
      > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
      > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
      > final messenger
      > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
      > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
      > worship him.
      >
      > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
      > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
      > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
      > (Qur'an 33:45-
      > 46)
      >
      > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
      >
      > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
      > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
      > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
      > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
      > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
      > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation
      as
      > follows:
      >
      > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
      > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
      > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
      > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
      > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
      > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
      > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
      > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
      > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
      > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
      >
      > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
      > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
      > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
      > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
      (Qur'an
      > 3:59)
      >
      > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
      > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
      > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
      > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
      > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
      > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
      >
      > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
      > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
      > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
      >
      > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
      > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
      > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
      > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
      > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
      >
      > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
      > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad
      (SAW)
      > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
      messenger
      > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
      > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
      > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Bill Harris
      click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their young people. Bill ...
      Message 2 of 11 , Aug 1, 2002
        click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their young people. Bill
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: clickhereforinsignificance
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
        Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM



        Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer
        does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the
        religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards the
        west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too have
        our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of thousands
        of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
        East'.

        I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are capable
        and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
        (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's politics
        change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around the
        world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related) and
        the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and of
        course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power theory.

        The West effectively used a similar technique against Communism
        (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the end,
        they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
        economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
        pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
        wish to return to the 'old ways'.

        I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church and
        state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
        freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
        Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
        survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
        transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
        support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did for
        military puppet governments after the cold war.

        There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by every
        non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won by
        the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation of
        both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over the
        world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly effective
        towards accomplishing tasks.

        Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
        nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
        Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,
        Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
        still remain to plunder.

        And yet they do not.

        I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that important
        little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to die...
        but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.

        ~ tired of petty wars






        --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
        >
        > well, just a forward..
        >
        > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
        > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
        > To: Fateha@y...
        > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
        > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
        >
        >
        >
        > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
        > ABOUT ISLAM
        >
        > By Huma Ahmad
        >
        >
        > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
        >
        > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
        > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
        > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic
        IRA
        > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
        > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
        > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
        > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times
        > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
        linked
        > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or may
        > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
        > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
        > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
        > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
        > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
        > meaning 'peace'.
        >
        > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
        > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
        > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they
        make
        > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
        > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
        > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
        > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
        > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
        > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
        > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
        > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah
        Swt
        > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace,
        then
        > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
        > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
        >
        > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
        > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
        > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
        > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
        > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
        peace.
        >
        > 2: Islam oppresses women
        >
        > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
        > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
        > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
        > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
        > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
        > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
        > equality.
        >
        > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
        > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
        > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
        > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of
        her
        > property and earnings.
        >
        > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
        > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
        > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way
        that
        > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
        > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
        > kindest to his wife."
        >
        > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
        > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
        > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
        > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
        > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
        > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
        > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think
        may
        > be suitable.
        >
        > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
        >
        > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
        > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
        > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
        > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
        > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ
        used
        > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
        identical
        > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
        > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
        > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in
        the
        > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
        > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
        > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
        > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
        > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
        > like attributions as found in other faiths.
        >
        > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
        >
        > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
        > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
        > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
        > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
        > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
        > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
        > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
        > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
        >
        > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
        > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
        direction
        > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
        >
        > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
        > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
        > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of
        any
        > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
        > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
        > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
        > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
        > Protestantism..."
        >
        > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
        > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
        > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
        examples
        > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
        > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
        > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
        > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
        > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
        > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all
        the
        > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set
        up
        > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
        > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
        > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
        > not.
        >
        > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
        > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
        > Swt
        > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
        > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come
        to
        > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
        > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
        > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
        >
        > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
        >
        > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
        > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
        > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
        > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
        faith.
        > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
        > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
        Thirty
        > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
        > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and
        10%
        > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
        > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
        minorities
        > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they
        are
        > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
        > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
        > States.
        >
        > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
        >
        > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
        > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
        > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
        > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
        > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
        > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should
        be
        > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
        > Farrakhan.
        >
        > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
        > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was
        the
        > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
        > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
        > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
        > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
        > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
        > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
        >
        > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
        > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
        > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
        > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
        > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
        > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
        > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
        >
        > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
        > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
        > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
        > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
        > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
        > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
        > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
        > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
        >
        > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
        >
        > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
        > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
        > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
        wars,
        > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances
        men
        > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
        > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
        evils.
        > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
        > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
        > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
        > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
        husband.
        > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
        > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
        > the permission to remarry.
        >
        > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
        > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
        > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
        > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
        > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
        >
        > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
        >
        > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
        > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
        > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his
        > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
        > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to
        the
        > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man
        and
        > woman'.
        >
        > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
        > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
        > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
        > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
        > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
        > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
        > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
        > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
        > good navigational maps.
        >
        > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
        >
        > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
        > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
        > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
        > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
        > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
        > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
        > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
        > detested the decadence of his society.
        >
        > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of
        Hira
        > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
        > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
        > from Allaah
        > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
        > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
        > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
        which
        > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
        > group of
        > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
        > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
        > emigrate.
        >
        > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
        > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
        After
        > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
        > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
        > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
        > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
        > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
        China.
        >
        > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
        > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
        > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
        > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
        > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
        > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
        > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
        > final messenger
        > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
        > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
        > worship him.
        >
        > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
        > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
        > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
        > (Qur'an 33:45-
        > 46)
        >
        > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
        >
        > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
        > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
        > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
        > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
        > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
        > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation
        as
        > follows:
        >
        > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
        > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
        > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
        > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
        > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
        > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
        > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
        > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
        > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
        > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
        >
        > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
        > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
        > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
        > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
        (Qur'an
        > 3:59)
        >
        > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
        > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
        > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
        > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
        > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
        > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
        >
        > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
        > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
        > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
        >
        > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
        > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
        > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
        > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
        > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
        >
        > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
        > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad
        (SAW)
        > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
        messenger
        > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
        > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
        > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
        >
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      • clickhereforinsignificance
        Bill, I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes the Islamic situation... but it s an entirely different issue. Israel was created as a
        Message 3 of 11 , Aug 1, 2002
          Bill,

          I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
          the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
          was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
          Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
          the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

          However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
          way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
          of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
          open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
          decided they wanted their land back!!!!

          By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
          exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
          Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
          psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
          is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
          as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
          girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

          The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
          cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
          eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
          seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
          the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
          I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
          Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
          nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
          not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
          even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
          would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
          religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
          want the land of their ancestors back?

          What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
          policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
          right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
          disgusting manner.

          I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
          being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
          children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
          strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
          extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

          All that being said, what should be done now is not the
          dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
          and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
          either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
          between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
          only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
          appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
          retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

          This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
          veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
          solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
          high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
          the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
          Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
          one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
          calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
          Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
          the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
          what they have at there disposal.

          If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
          is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
          likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
          the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
          a fundimentalist.

          ~ peace through superior firepower?

          ---------------------------------------------



          --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
          > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
          views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
          young people. Bill
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: clickhereforinsignificance
          > To: existlist@y...
          > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
          > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
          >
          >
          >
          > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
          writer
          > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
          the
          > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
          the
          > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
          have
          > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
          thousands
          > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
          > East'.
          >
          > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
          capable
          > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
          > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
          politics
          > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
          the
          > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
          and
          > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
          of
          > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
          theory.
          >
          > The West effectively used a similar technique against
          Communism
          > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
          end,
          > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
          > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
          > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
          > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
          >
          > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
          and
          > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
          > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
          > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
          > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
          > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
          > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
          for
          > military puppet governments after the cold war.
          >
          > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
          every
          > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
          by
          > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
          of
          > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
          the
          > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
          effective
          > towards accomplishing tasks.
          >
          > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
          > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
          > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
          Algeria,
          > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
          > still remain to plunder.
          >
          > And yet they do not.
          >
          > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
          important
          > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
          die...
          > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
          >
          > ~ tired of petty wars
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
          > >
          > > well, just a forward..
          > >
          > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
          > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
          > > To: Fateha@y...
          > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
          > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
          > > ABOUT ISLAM
          > >
          > > By Huma Ahmad
          > >
          > >
          > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
          > >
          > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
          resulting
          > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
          Islam.
          > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
          Catholic
          > IRA
          > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
          > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
          are
          > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
          > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
          times
          > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
          > linked
          > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
          may
          > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
          will use
          > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
          > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
          says
          > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
          > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
          word
          > > meaning 'peace'.
          > >
          > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
          Perhaps
          > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
          West,
          > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
          they
          > make
          > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
          > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
          defence of
          > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
          forcibly
          > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
          include
          > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
          crops,
          > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
          > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
          > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
          Allaah
          > Swt
          > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
          peace,
          > then
          > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
          > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
          > >
          > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
          rigorous
          > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
          literally
          > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
          jihad.
          > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
          everyone
          > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
          > peace.
          > >
          > > 2: Islam oppresses women
          > >
          > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
          forced to
          > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
          people's
          > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
          oppress
          > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
          these
          > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
          > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
          > > equality.
          > >
          > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
          > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
          example of
          > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
          an
          > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
          of
          > her
          > > property and earnings.
          > >
          > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
          > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
          taking
          > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
          way
          > that
          > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
          most
          > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
          and
          > > kindest to his wife."
          > >
          > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
          their
          > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
          > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
          > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
          > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
          last
          > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
          marry
          > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
          think
          > may
          > > be suitable.
          > >
          > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
          > >
          > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
          Muslims
          > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
          > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
          > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
          the
          > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
          Christ
          > used
          > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
          > identical
          > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
          same God
          > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
          > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
          in
          > the
          > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
          His
          > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
          many
          > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
          in
          > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
          does not
          > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
          human-
          > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
          > >
          > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
          > >
          > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
          Arab
          > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
          other,
          > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
          correct
          > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
          freedom of
          > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
          not,
          > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
          drive
          > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
          them; for
          > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
          > >
          > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
          no
          > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
          > direction
          > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
          > >
          > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
          of
          > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
          attempt to
          > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
          of
          > any
          > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
          religion,
          > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
          of
          > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
          > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
          made
          > > Protestantism..."
          > >
          > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
          status of
          > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
          > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
          > examples
          > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
          > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
          worship
          > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
          > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
          their
          > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
          > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
          all
          > the
          > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
          set
          > up
          > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
          > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
          an
          > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
          Muslim or
          > > not.
          > >
          > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
          > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
          > > Swt
          > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
          > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
          come
          > to
          > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
          Swt 's
          > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
          > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
          > >
          > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
          > >
          > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
          out of
          > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
          range of
          > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
          the
          > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
          > faith.
          > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
          > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
          > Thirty
          > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
          > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
          and
          > 10%
          > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
          make up
          > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
          > minorities
          > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
          they
          > are
          > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
          and
          > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
          > > States.
          > >
          > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
          > >
          > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
          different
          > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
          members
          > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
          to be
          > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
          gain.
          > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
          used
          > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
          should
          > be
          > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
          > > Farrakhan.
          > >
          > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
          example,
          > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
          was
          > the
          > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
          > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
          Swt ,
          > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
          > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
          to do
          > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
          > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
          > >
          > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
          the
          > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
          Muslim
          > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
          under the
          > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
          > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
          form the
          > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
          religion
          > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
          > >
          > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
          being
          > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
          should be
          > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
          > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
          > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
          Islam. In
          > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
          Read
          > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
          > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
          > >
          > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
          > >
          > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
          > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
          population of
          > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
          > wars,
          > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
          circumstances
          > men
          > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
          > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
          > evils.
          > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
          solution
          > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
          > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
          a
          > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
          > husband.
          > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
          > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
          men
          > > the permission to remarry.
          > >
          > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
          husband is
          > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
          humanly
          > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
          on the
          > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
          > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
          > >
          > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
          > >
          > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
          was the
          > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
          Allaah
          > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
          his
          > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
          great
          > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
          to
          > the
          > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
          man
          > and
          > > woman'.
          > >
          > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
          with
          > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
          physics,
          > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
          history.
          > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
          also
          > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
          mathematics),
          > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
          > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
          > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
          and
          > > good navigational maps.
          > >
          > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
          him
          > >
          > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
          his
          > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
          afterwards, he
          > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
          he
          > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
          > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
          arbitrate
          > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
          > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
          long
          > > detested the decadence of his society.
          > >
          > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
          of
          > Hira
          > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
          retreat,
          > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
          > > from Allaah
          > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
          > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
          began to
          > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
          > which
          > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
          > > group of
          > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
          that in
          > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
          > > emigrate.
          > >
          > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
          Makkah for
          > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
          > After
          > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
          > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
          established
          > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
          63,
          > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
          his
          > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
          > China.
          > >
          > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
          is
          > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
          Islam
          > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
          Muslims
          > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
          were all
          > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
          sent
          > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
          > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
          > > final messenger
          > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
          him
          > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
          not
          > > worship him.
          > >
          > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
          bearer
          > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
          > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
          > > (Qur'an 33:45-
          > > 46)
          > >
          > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
          > >
          > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
          They
          > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
          > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
          but
          > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
          > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
          considered the
          > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
          Annunciation
          > as
          > > follows:
          > >
          > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
          purified
          > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
          Allaah
          > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
          the
          > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
          > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
          shall
          > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
          be of
          > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
          when no
          > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
          He
          > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
          > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
          > >
          > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
          > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
          of
          > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
          > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
          > (Qur'an
          > > 3:59)
          > >
          > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
          > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
          from
          > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
          of a
          > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
          > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
          dead by
          > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
          > >
          > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
          basic
          > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
          > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
          > >
          > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
          have
          > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
          and
          > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
          have
          > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
          obey
          > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
          > >
          > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
          no
          > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
          Muhammad
          > (SAW)
          > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
          > messenger
          > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
          emanating
          > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
          received by
          > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
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        • james tan
          aiden, perhaps it is not the fundamentalists that are the problem , but rather the extremists. semantic quibbling here?! james. From:
          Message 4 of 11 , Aug 2, 2002
            aiden,

            perhaps it is not the fundamentalists that are the 'problem', but rather the
            extremists. semantic quibbling here?!

            james.


            From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@...>
            Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
            Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:09:40 -0000


            Interesting and educational. However one thing that the writer
            does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of the
            religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards the
            west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too have
            our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of thousands
            of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
            East'.

            I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are capable
            and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
            (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's politics
            change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around the
            world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related) and
            the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and of
            course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power theory.

            The West effectively used a similar technique against Communism
            (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the end,
            they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
            economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
            pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
            wish to return to the 'old ways'.

            I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church and
            state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
            freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
            Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
            survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
            transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
            support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did for
            military puppet governments after the cold war.

            There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by every
            non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won by
            the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation of
            both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over the
            world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly effective
            towards accomplishing tasks.

            Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
            nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
            Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,
            Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
            still remain to plunder.

            And yet they do not.

            I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that important
            little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to die...
            but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.

            ~ tired of petty wars






            --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
            >
            > well, just a forward..
            >
            > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
            > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
            > To: Fateha@y...
            > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
            > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
            >
            >
            >
            > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
            > ABOUT ISLAM
            >
            > By Huma Ahmad
            >
            >
            > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
            >
            > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
            > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
            > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic
            IRA
            > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
            > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
            > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
            > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times
            > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
            linked
            > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or may
            > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
            > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
            > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
            > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
            > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
            > meaning 'peace'.
            >
            > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
            > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
            > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they
            make
            > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
            > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
            > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
            > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
            > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
            > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
            > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
            > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah
            Swt
            > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace,
            then
            > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
            > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
            >
            > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
            > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
            > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
            > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
            > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
            peace.
            >
            > 2: Islam oppresses women
            >
            > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
            > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
            > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
            > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
            > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
            > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
            > equality.
            >
            > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
            > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
            > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
            > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of
            her
            > property and earnings.
            >
            > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
            > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
            > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way
            that
            > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
            > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
            > kindest to his wife."
            >
            > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
            > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
            > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
            > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
            > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
            > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
            > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think
            may
            > be suitable.
            >
            > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
            >
            > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
            > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
            > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
            > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
            > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ
            used
            > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
            identical
            > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
            > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
            > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in
            the
            > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
            > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
            > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
            > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
            > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
            > like attributions as found in other faiths.
            >
            > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
            >
            > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
            > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
            > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
            > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
            > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
            > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
            > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
            > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
            >
            > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
            > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
            direction
            > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
            >
            > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
            > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
            > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of
            any
            > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
            > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
            > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
            > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
            > Protestantism..."
            >
            > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
            > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
            > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
            examples
            > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
            > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
            > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
            > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
            > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
            > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all
            the
            > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set
            up
            > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
            > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
            > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
            > not.
            >
            > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
            > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
            > Swt
            > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
            > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come
            to
            > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
            > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
            > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
            >
            > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
            >
            > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
            > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
            > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
            > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
            faith.
            > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
            > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
            Thirty
            > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
            > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and
            10%
            > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
            > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
            minorities
            > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they
            are
            > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
            > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
            > States.
            >
            > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
            >
            > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
            > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
            > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
            > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
            > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
            > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should
            be
            > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
            > Farrakhan.
            >
            > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
            > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was
            the
            > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
            > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
            > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
            > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
            > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
            > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
            >
            > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
            > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
            > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
            > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
            > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
            > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
            > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
            >
            > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
            > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
            > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
            > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
            > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
            > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
            > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
            > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
            >
            > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
            >
            > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
            > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
            > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
            wars,
            > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances
            men
            > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
            > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
            evils.
            > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
            > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
            > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
            > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
            husband.
            > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
            > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
            > the permission to remarry.
            >
            > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
            > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
            > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
            > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
            > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
            >
            > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
            >
            > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
            > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
            > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his
            > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
            > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to
            the
            > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man
            and
            > woman'.
            >
            > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
            > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
            > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
            > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
            > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
            > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
            > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
            > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
            > good navigational maps.
            >
            > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
            >
            > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
            > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
            > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
            > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
            > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
            > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
            > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
            > detested the decadence of his society.
            >
            > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of
            Hira
            > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
            > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
            > from Allaah
            > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
            > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
            > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
            which
            > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
            > group of
            > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
            > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
            > emigrate.
            >
            > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
            > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
            After
            > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
            > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
            > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
            > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
            > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
            China.
            >
            > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
            > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
            > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
            > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
            > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
            > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
            > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
            > final messenger
            > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
            > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
            > worship him.
            >
            > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
            > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
            > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
            > (Qur'an 33:45-
            > 46)
            >
            > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
            >
            > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
            > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
            > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
            > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
            > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
            > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation
            as
            > follows:
            >
            > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
            > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
            > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
            > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
            > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
            > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
            > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
            > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
            > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
            > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
            >
            > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
            > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
            > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
            > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
            (Qur'an
            > 3:59)
            >
            > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
            > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
            > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
            > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
            > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
            > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
            >
            > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
            > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
            > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
            >
            > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
            > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
            > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
            > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
            > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
            >
            > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
            > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad
            (SAW)
            > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
            messenger
            > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
            > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
            > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
            >
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          • james tan
            does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested? james. From: clickhereforinsignificance Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com To:
            Message 5 of 11 , Aug 2, 2002
              does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested?

              james.


              From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@...>
              Reply-To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
              Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:28:26 -0000


              Bill,

              I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
              the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
              was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
              Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
              the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

              However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
              way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
              of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
              open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
              decided they wanted their land back!!!!

              By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
              exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
              Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
              psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
              is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
              as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
              girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

              The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
              cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
              eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
              seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
              the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
              I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
              Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
              nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
              not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
              even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
              would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
              religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
              want the land of their ancestors back?

              What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
              policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
              right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
              disgusting manner.

              I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
              being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
              children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
              strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
              extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

              All that being said, what should be done now is not the
              dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
              and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
              either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
              between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
              only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
              appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
              retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

              This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
              veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
              solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
              high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
              the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
              Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
              one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
              calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
              Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
              the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
              what they have at there disposal.

              If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
              is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
              likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
              the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
              a fundimentalist.

              ~ peace through superior firepower?

              ---------------------------------------------



              --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
              > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
              views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
              young people. Bill
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: clickhereforinsignificance
              > To: existlist@y...
              > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
              > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
              >
              >
              >
              > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
              writer
              > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
              the
              > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
              the
              > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
              have
              > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
              thousands
              > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
              > East'.
              >
              > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
              capable
              > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
              > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
              politics
              > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
              the
              > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
              and
              > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
              of
              > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
              theory.
              >
              > The West effectively used a similar technique against
              Communism
              > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
              end,
              > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
              > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
              > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
              > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
              >
              > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
              and
              > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
              > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
              > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
              > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
              > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
              > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
              for
              > military puppet governments after the cold war.
              >
              > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
              every
              > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
              by
              > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
              of
              > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
              the
              > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
              effective
              > towards accomplishing tasks.
              >
              > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
              > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
              > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
              Algeria,
              > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
              > still remain to plunder.
              >
              > And yet they do not.
              >
              > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
              important
              > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
              die...
              > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
              >
              > ~ tired of petty wars
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
              > >
              > > well, just a forward..
              > >
              > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
              > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
              > > To: Fateha@y...
              > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
              > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
              > > ABOUT ISLAM
              > >
              > > By Huma Ahmad
              > >
              > >
              > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
              > >
              > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
              resulting
              > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
              Islam.
              > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
              Catholic
              > IRA
              > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
              > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
              are
              > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
              > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
              times
              > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
              > linked
              > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
              may
              > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
              will use
              > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
              > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
              says
              > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
              > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
              word
              > > meaning 'peace'.
              > >
              > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
              Perhaps
              > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
              West,
              > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
              they
              > make
              > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
              > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
              defence of
              > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
              forcibly
              > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
              include
              > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
              crops,
              > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
              > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
              > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
              Allaah
              > Swt
              > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
              peace,
              > then
              > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
              > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
              > >
              > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
              rigorous
              > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
              literally
              > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
              jihad.
              > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
              everyone
              > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
              > peace.
              > >
              > > 2: Islam oppresses women
              > >
              > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
              forced to
              > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
              people's
              > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
              oppress
              > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
              these
              > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
              > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
              > > equality.
              > >
              > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
              > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
              example of
              > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
              an
              > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
              of
              > her
              > > property and earnings.
              > >
              > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
              > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
              taking
              > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
              way
              > that
              > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
              most
              > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
              and
              > > kindest to his wife."
              > >
              > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
              their
              > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
              > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
              > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
              > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
              last
              > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
              marry
              > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
              think
              > may
              > > be suitable.
              > >
              > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
              > >
              > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
              Muslims
              > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
              > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
              > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
              the
              > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
              Christ
              > used
              > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
              > identical
              > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
              same God
              > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
              > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
              in
              > the
              > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
              His
              > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
              many
              > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
              in
              > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
              does not
              > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
              human-
              > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
              > >
              > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
              > >
              > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
              Arab
              > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
              other,
              > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
              correct
              > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
              freedom of
              > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
              not,
              > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
              drive
              > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
              them; for
              > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
              > >
              > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
              no
              > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
              > direction
              > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
              > >
              > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
              of
              > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
              attempt to
              > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
              of
              > any
              > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
              religion,
              > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
              of
              > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
              > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
              made
              > > Protestantism..."
              > >
              > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
              status of
              > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
              > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
              > examples
              > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
              > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
              worship
              > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
              > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
              their
              > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
              > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
              all
              > the
              > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
              set
              > up
              > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
              > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
              an
              > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
              Muslim or
              > > not.
              > >
              > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
              > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
              > > Swt
              > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
              > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
              come
              > to
              > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
              Swt 's
              > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
              > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
              > >
              > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
              > >
              > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
              out of
              > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
              range of
              > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
              the
              > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
              > faith.
              > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
              > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
              > Thirty
              > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
              > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
              and
              > 10%
              > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
              make up
              > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
              > minorities
              > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
              they
              > are
              > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
              and
              > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
              > > States.
              > >
              > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
              > >
              > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
              different
              > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
              members
              > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
              to be
              > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
              gain.
              > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
              used
              > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
              should
              > be
              > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
              > > Farrakhan.
              > >
              > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
              example,
              > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
              was
              > the
              > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
              > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
              Swt ,
              > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
              > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
              to do
              > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
              > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
              > >
              > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
              the
              > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
              Muslim
              > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
              under the
              > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
              > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
              form the
              > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
              religion
              > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
              > >
              > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
              being
              > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
              should be
              > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
              > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
              > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
              Islam. In
              > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
              Read
              > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
              > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
              > >
              > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
              > >
              > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
              > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
              population of
              > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
              > wars,
              > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
              circumstances
              > men
              > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
              > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
              > evils.
              > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
              solution
              > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
              > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
              a
              > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
              > husband.
              > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
              > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
              men
              > > the permission to remarry.
              > >
              > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
              husband is
              > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
              humanly
              > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
              on the
              > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
              > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
              > >
              > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
              > >
              > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
              was the
              > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
              Allaah
              > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
              his
              > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
              great
              > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
              to
              > the
              > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
              man
              > and
              > > woman'.
              > >
              > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
              with
              > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
              physics,
              > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
              history.
              > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
              also
              > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
              mathematics),
              > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
              > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
              > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
              and
              > > good navigational maps.
              > >
              > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
              him
              > >
              > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
              his
              > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
              afterwards, he
              > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
              he
              > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
              > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
              arbitrate
              > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
              > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
              long
              > > detested the decadence of his society.
              > >
              > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
              of
              > Hira
              > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
              retreat,
              > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
              > > from Allaah
              > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
              > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
              began to
              > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
              > which
              > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
              > > group of
              > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
              that in
              > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
              > > emigrate.
              > >
              > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
              Makkah for
              > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
              > After
              > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
              > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
              established
              > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
              63,
              > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
              his
              > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
              > China.
              > >
              > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
              is
              > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
              Islam
              > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
              Muslims
              > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
              were all
              > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
              sent
              > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
              > > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
              > > final messenger
              > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
              him
              > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
              not
              > > worship him.
              > >
              > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
              bearer
              > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
              > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
              > > (Qur'an 33:45-
              > > 46)
              > >
              > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
              > >
              > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
              They
              > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
              > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
              but
              > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
              > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
              considered the
              > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
              Annunciation
              > as
              > > follows:
              > >
              > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
              purified
              > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
              Allaah
              > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
              the
              > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
              > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
              shall
              > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
              be of
              > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
              when no
              > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
              He
              > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
              > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
              > >
              > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
              > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
              of
              > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
              > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
              > (Qur'an
              > > 3:59)
              > >
              > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
              > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
              from
              > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
              of a
              > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
              > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
              dead by
              > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
              > >
              > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
              basic
              > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
              > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
              > >
              > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
              have
              > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
              and
              > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
              have
              > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
              obey
              > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
              > >
              > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
              no
              > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
              Muhammad
              > (SAW)
              > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
              > messenger
              > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
              emanating
              > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
              received by
              > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
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            • james tan
              informative article by huma ahmad, and interesting if somewhat skeptical response on ur part. james. From: swmirsky@aol.com Reply-To:
              Message 6 of 11 , Aug 2, 2002
                informative article by huma ahmad, and interesting if somewhat skeptical
                response on ur part.

                james.


                From: swmirsky@...
                Reply-To: WisdomForum@yahoogroups.com
                To: WisdomForum@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [WisdomForum] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:42:45 EDT

                More time now so will have a go at commenting on the material you posted
                below (my comments in caps):

                In a message dated 8/1/2002 1:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
                tyjfk@... writes:

                > well, just a forward..
                >
                > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@...>
                > Reply-To: Fateha@yahoogroups.com
                > To: Fateha@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
                >
                > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
                > ABOUT ISLAM
                >
                > By Huma Ahmad
                >
                > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
                >
                > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt resulting
                > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.
                > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRA
                > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
                > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are
                > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
                > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators.

                THE REASON IS THAT EITHER SUCH ACTS ARE ANOMOLOUS BEHAVIOR
                > FOR THE GROUP REPRESENTED OR THEY ARE NOT PRESENTED BY THE PERPERTATORS
                AS
                > DRIVEN BY A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE. RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS, ON THE
                > CONTRARY, PERSISTENTLY CLAIM THEIR RELIGION AS THEIR JUSTIFICATION AND
                SUCH
                > CLAIMS AND CLAIMANTS ARE VERY COMMON IN THE UMMAH. THEREFORE IT IS NOT
                > SURPRISING THAT THEY WILL BE DESCRIBED IN THE MEDIA AS MUSLIM TERRORISTS.
                > THEY PROCLAIM THIS AS THEIR JUSTIFICATION AS THOUGH FROM THE ROOF TOPS.
                IF
                > MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE THIS CHARACTERIZATION THEN THEY SHOULD DENOUNCE THESE
                > ACTS WHEN THEY OCCUR, NOT APPLAUD THEM!


                Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist,
                > etc.' linked with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may
                or
                > may
                > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use
                > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
                > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says
                > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
                > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root word
                > meaning 'peace'.
                >
                > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps
                > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West,
                > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make
                > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
                > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in defence of
                > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly
                > from their homes.

                THIS SEEMS TO BE A SPECIAL CASE CLAIM DESIGNED TO JUSTIFY PALESTINIAN >
                > ACTIONS.

                It lays down strict rules of combat, which include
                > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops,
                > trees and livestock. Nowhere does Islam enjoin the killing of
                innocents....
                > The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
                > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allaah Swt
                > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190)

                OKAY, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS CITED?

                "If they seek peace, then > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He
                is
                > the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
                >
                > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous
                > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally
                > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad.
                > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which everyone
                > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

                BUT MUSLIMS ALSO BELIEVE IN THE JIHAD AS HOLY WAR WHICH IS NOT, IN
                PRINCIPLE,
                DIFFERENT FROM THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADE. IN FACT, THE MUSLIMS PURSUED JIHAD
                LONG
                BEFORE EUROPE INVENTED THE CRUSADE AND ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE CRUSADES
                BEGAN AS A REACTION TO JIHAD.


                > 2: Islam oppresses women
                >
                > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to
                > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most people's
                > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress
                > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these
                > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
                > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
                > equality.
                >
                THIS IS TRUE. NOT ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES OR CULTURES ARE AS EXTREMIST IN THIS
                REGARD THE SAUDIS AND THE TALIBAN.

                > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
                > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the example of
                > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an
                > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her
                > property and earnings.
                >
                > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
                > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking
                > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way that
                > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The most
                > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and
                > kindest to his wife."
                >

                I SUSPECT THAT WESTERN FEMINISM MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY DELIGHTED WITH THIS CALL
                FOR KINDNESS TO ONE'S WIFE SINCE IT IMPLIES SHE IS LESS THAN, AND DEPENDENT
                ON, HER MALE PARTNER. THE ISLAMIC TEACHING, EVEN THOUGH IT DEMANDS KINDNESS
                TO WOMEN (WHILE NOT ALWAYS CLEARLY DEFINING THAT) DOES NOT ENVISION THE
                MARRIAGE BOND AS ONE OF EQUAL PARTNERSHIP, WHATEVER ELSE ONE SAYS ABOUT IT.

                > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their
                > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
                > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
                > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
                > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last
                > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry
                > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think may
                > be suitable.
                >
                THIS IS MOST LIKELY PRACTICED MORE IN PRINCIPLE THAN FACT THOUGH I HAVE NO
                STATISTICAL DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM AND SO MUST ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS ONLY A
                SENSE I HAVE FROM OBSERVING ISLAMIC CULTURE IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD.

                > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
                >
                > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for Muslims
                > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
                > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
                > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the
                > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ used
                > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an identical
                > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the same God
                > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
                > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in the
                > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His
                > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in many
                > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in
                > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not
                > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have human-
                > like attributions as found in other faiths.
                >

                NO ARGUMENT HERE EXCEPT TO POINT OUT THAT ALL THE THREE MONOTHEISTIC
                RELIGIONS ASSUME AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC GOD. WHAT ELSE IS A GOD WHO ACTS IN THE
                WORLD, WHO SPEAKS WITH HUMANS, ETC.? EVEN IF THE IMAGE IS NOT ONE OF AN OLD
                MAN WITH A LONG WHITE BEARD FLOATING IN THE SKY, IT IS STILL ANTHROPOMORPHIC
                TO CLAIM GOD SPEAKS TO MAN, SENDS MESSENGERS, ACTS IN HISTORICAL TIME, ETC.

                > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
                >
                > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
                > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other,
                > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a correct
                > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
                > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you not,
                > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive
                > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for
                > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
                >
                SO ALLAH DOESN'T FORBID YOU FROM "DEALING KINDLY AND JUSTLY WITH THEM"? I
                TAKE IT HE DOESN'T INSIST ON IT THEN? SO IT'S A MATTER OF CHOICE?

                AS A MATTER OF FACT, ISLAM WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IN A CONFLICT WITH OTHER
                TRIBAL GROUPS IN ARABIA AND IT MADE ITS INITIAL SWEEP ONTO THE WORLD STAGE
                AS
                PART OF A WAR OF CONQUEST IN WHICH CONVERSION BY THE SWORD WAS HELD TO BE A
                LEGITIMATE AIM OF ITS SOLDIERY. ITS SUBSEQUENT HISTORY WAS LARGELY ONE OF
                WAR
                AND CONFLICT, FIRST WITH OTHERS (EUROPEANS, ETC.) AND LATER WITHIN ITS OWN
                MILIEU AS ONE ISLAMIC GROUP BROKE OFF AND CONTESTED WITH ANOTHER.

                > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
                > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction
                > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
                >

                BUT CONVERSION BY THE SWORD IS AUTHORIZED AND EVEN ADVOCATED. OF COURSE ONE
                MUST SINCERELY EMBRACE THE FAITH, EVEN AFTER THE SWORD HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN OR
                ONE COULD BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER INDUCEMENTS. NOW, TURTHFULLY, ISLAM, SHORTLY
                AFTER ITS EMERGENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE, DECIDED NOT TO FORCE CONVERSION ON
                CHRISTIANS AND JEWS SINCE THEY WERE DEEMED RESPECTABLE AS PEOPLES OF THE
                BOOK
                (EVEN IF MISGUIDED). BUT ALL PAGANS AND OTHER RELIGIOUS ADHERENTS (LIKE THE
                ZOROASTRIANS) WERE NOT AFFORDED THAT SAME LUXURY. IT WAS CONVERT OR DIE. AS
                FOR CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, WELL SOMEBODY HAD TO PAY TAXES AND IN THOSE EARLY
                DAYS ONLY INFIDELS WERE EXPECTED TO DO THAT!

                > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of
                > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized attempt to
                > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any
                > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
                > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
                > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
                > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
                > Protestantism..."
                >

                NICE THOUGHT BUT NOT CONSISTENT WITH HISTORICAL FACTS. ISLAM EVERYWHERE
                FORCED CONVERSION WHEN IT SWEPT THROUGH OTHER LANDS IN ITS EARLIEST DAYS.
                LATER, THEY ESTABLISHED A MORE TOLERANT QUID PRO QUO TO ENSURE TAX REVENUES.

                > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
                > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
                > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples
                > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
                > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship
                > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
                > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
                > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
                > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the
                > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up
                > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
                > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
                > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
                > not.
                >
                WHEN CHRISTIANITY WAS AT ITS MOST INTOLERANT AND ISLAM MILITARILY
                TRIUMPHANT,
                THE MUSLIMS WERE, INDEED, MORE TOLERANT THAN THE CHRISTIANS. BUT THEY ALSO
                HAVE A CLEAR HISTORY OF INTOLERANCE, WITNESS WHAT THEY DID TO THE BA'HAIS
                AND
                JUST LOOK AT HOW THEY TREAT OTHER RELIGIONS IN MANY OF THE CORE MUSLIM
                COUNTRIES TODAY (LIKE SAUDI ARABIA). IT IS DISINGENUOUS TO CLAIM THAT ISLAM
                IS A TOLERANT RELIGION AT ITS CORE. IT HAS STRANDS OF TOLERANCE AND
                INTOLERANCE BUT PLAINLY THE INTOLERANT STRANDS APPEAR TO BE DOMINATING IN
                KEY
                MUSLIM COUNTRIES TODAY.

                > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
                > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
                > Swt
                > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
                > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to
                > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah Swt 's
                > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
                > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
                >
                TRUE, BUT THE QU'RAN ALSO SPEAKS OF ACCEPTING WHOMEVER ALLAH HAS PLACED OVER
                YOU, EVEN IF HE BE BLACK AS NIGHT WITH A HEAD LIKE A RAISIN! NICE THOUGHT
                THAT WE ARE ALL EQUAL, BUT THERE'S AN IMPLICIT NEGATIVITY ABOUT PEOPLE OF
                AFRICAN DESCENT IN ISLAM WHICH COMES OUT VERY CLEARLY FROM THIS KIND OF
                STATEMENT. AS WITH THE MATTER OF BEING NICE TO OUR WIVES, I THINK THIS
                DOESN'T REALLY GO FAR ENOUGH, GIVEN TODAY'S MORE ENLIGHTENED CONCEPTS.

                > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
                >
                > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One out of
                > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast range of
                > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from the
                > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic faith.
                > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
                > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan. Thirty
                > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
                > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and 10%
                > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan make up
                > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim minorities
                > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they are
                > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and
                > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
                > States.
                >

                AGREED, ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS AND, IN FACT, NOT ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS
                (THOUGH MOST ARE).


                > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
                >
                > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two different
                > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members
                > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be
                > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain.
                > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used
                > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be
                > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
                > Farrakhan.
                >

                IT WASN'T CREATED BY FARRAKHAN BUT BY A MAN NAMED W. D. FARD WHO CLAIMED TO
                BE THE INCARNATION OF ALLAH AND HIS DESIGNATED PROPHET, A MAN NAMED ELIJAH
                POOLE WHO TOOK THE NAME ELIJAH MUHAMMED. IT IS THE CASE, THOUGH, THAT ITS
                TEACHINGS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH TRUE ISLAM.

                > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example,
                > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the
                > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
                > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah Swt ,
                > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
                > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little to do
                > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
                > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
                >
                > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the
                > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim
                > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the
                > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
                > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the
                > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion
                > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
                >
                > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being
                > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be
                > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
                > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
                > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In
                > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam. Read
                > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
                > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
                >
                > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
                >
                > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
                > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the population of
                > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to wars,
                > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these circumstances men
                > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
                > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral evils.
                > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the solution
                > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.

                OH GIVE ME A BREAK! IT WAS AND IS A CULTURAL THING WHICH ISLAM ACCEPTED AND
                ENDORSED WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS. IF ISLAM HAD DEVELOPED IN A PLACE WHERE
                MONOGAMY WAS THE RULE, THEN YOU CAN BET MUHAMMED WOULD HAVE ENDORSED
                MONOGAMY.

                > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments a
                > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her husband.
                > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
                > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given men
                > the permission to remarry.
                >

                I LOVE THIS IDEA BUT MY WIFE DOESN'T. GO FIGURE.

                > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy husband is
                > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as humanly
                > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it on the
                > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
                > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
                >
                BUT ISLAM HAS NO MORAL EVILS IN ITS SOCIETY? PERSONALLY I THINK DRACONIAN
                MEDIEVAL LAWS ENFORCED AGAINST PEOPLE, AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST OTHER
                RELIGIONS (AS IS PRACTICED IN PLACES LIKE SAUDI ARABIS) ARE PRETTY MORALLY
                REPUGNANT. AND ISLAM HAS BEEN A BASTION OF SLAVERY FOR CENTURIES. ALSO,
                SODOMY IS HARDLY UNKNOWN IN ISLAMIC LANDS. I SUGGEST THAT THE CHRISTIAN WEST
                DOES NOT HAVE A LOCK ON MORAL EVILS AND THAT ISLAM CAN HOLD ITS OWN IN THIS
                REGARD!


                > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
                >
                > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the
                > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one Allaah
                > Swt worthy of worship.
                >
                ISLAM SPREAD RAPIDLY AND PEACEFULLY IN LANDS IT LARGELY CONQUERED FIRST. I
                SUPPOSE IT'S GENERALLY A GOOD IDEA TO JOIN YOUR CONQUEROR IF HE'S WILLING TO
                ADMIT YOU TO THE FOLD!

                It also repeatedly instructs man to use his >
                > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great
                > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according to the
                > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and
                > woman'.
                >

                ISLAM DID, INDEED, SUPPORT A GOLDEN AGE IN WHICH SCHOLARSHIP AND LEARNING
                FLOURISHED, AS DID MANY ASCENDANT CIVILIZATIONS DURING THEIR PERIODS OF
                ASCENDENCY.

                > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with
                > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics,
                > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
                > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also
                > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics),
                > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
                > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
                > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and
                > good navigational maps.
                >

                TRUE ENOUGH! ISLAM HAD A GREAT AND GLORIOUS CIVILIZATION AT ITS HEIGHT!


                > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him
                >
                > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his
                > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he
                > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he
                > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
                > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate
                > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
                > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had long
                > detested the decadence of his society.
                >
                > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira
                > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat,
                > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
                > from Allaah
                > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
                > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to
                > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth which
                > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
                > group of
                > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in
                > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
                > emigrate.
                >
                > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left Makkah for
                > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar. After
                > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
                > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established
                > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of 63,
                > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his
                > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as China.
                >

                YEP, VIA A SERIES OF WARS OF CONQUEST LED BY MUHAMMAD'S SUCCESSORS!

                > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he is
                > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam
                > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before. Muslims
                > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all
                > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent
                > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
                > mankind. Muhammad ��� ���� ���� ���� is the last and
                > final messenger
                > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour him
                > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not
                > worship him.
                >

                EXCEPT THAT THE BA'HAIS DON'T ACCEPT THAT AND SO WERE DRUMMED OUT OF ISLAM.
                SO TOO WERE THE DRUZE. AND, OF COURSE, THE SIKHS MELDED ISLAM AND ELEMENTS
                OF
                HINDUISM TO CREATE THEIR OWN NEW RELIGION. SO WHO IS TO SAY THAT ISLAM IS
                RIGHT AND THAT MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST PROPHET? DIDN'T THE CHRISTIANS ALSO SAY
                THAT CHRIST WAS THE LAST, THE CULMINATION OF GOD'S REVELATIONS? THERE IS NO
                BASIS FOR CLAIMING THAT MUHAMMAD CAPPED ALL REVELATIONS EXCEPT THAT
                MUHAMMAD'S FOLLOWERS ASSERT THIS AND, IN THEIR HEYDAY, ENFORCED THIS VIEW
                VIA
                THE SWORD.

                > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer
                > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
                > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
                > (Qur'an 33:45-
                > 46)
                >
                > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
                >
                > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming. They
                > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
                > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ', but
                > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
                > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the
                > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation as
                > follows:
                >
                > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and purified
                > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, Allaah
                > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the
                > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
                > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He shall
                > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of
                > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no
                > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what He
                > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
                > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
                >
                > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
                > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of
                > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
                > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (Qur'an
                > 3:59)
                >
                > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
                > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from
                > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a
                > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
                > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by
                > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
                >
                > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the basic
                > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
                > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
                >
                > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I have
                > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and
                > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I have
                > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and obey
                > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
                >
                > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is no
                > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that Muhammad (SAW)
                > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and messenger
                > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating
                > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by
                > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
                >

                OH WELL. I WILL NOT DISPUTE HERE WHAT THE Q'URAN IS REPORTED TO SAY. ONLY
                POINT OUT THAT IT IS BUT ONE BOOK AMONG A MULTITUDE OF ALLEGEDLY HOLY BOOKS.
                AND WHO IS TO SAY ONE IS MORE HOLY OR MORE TRUE THAN THE OTHERS? ISN'T IT TI
                ME WE LOOKED AT THINGS OBJECTIVELY INSTEAD OF ENABLING FANATICISM THROUGH
                SELF-PROCLAIMED ASSERTIONS OF THE "ONE TRUTH"?




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              • james tan
                As I ve done previously, I question your claim about the corrupt and immoral state you claim Israel to be. You have held this position for some time and none
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 2, 2002
                  As I've done previously, I question your claim about the "corrupt and
                  immoral
                  state" you claim Israel to be. You have held this position for some time and
                  none of my arguments against it seem to have made a dent in your claim, even
                  when it was clear that you were wrong on facts and that your generalizations
                  went well beyond what your marshalled facts could support. I have long
                  since,
                  therefore, given up on having any real kind of dialogue with you on a matter
                  to which you are clearly ideologically committed, for whatever spurious
                  reasons you may marshall. One cannot argue with "true believers" whatever
                  their claims since they are not interested in facts or in anything that
                  might
                  prompt them to change their minds.

                  However, I will address your point that Jews are not as tolerant as I
                  suggested. In fact, as in all religions (including Islam), there are many
                  strands. The Jews have their true believers and fanatics too. I was
                  referring
                  to the main body of Jews which have historically been among the most liberal
                  groups in modern history, supporting the rights of others, decrying
                  prejudice
                  and discrimination wherever it arises, largely reflecting their own history
                  of being on the receiving end of such behavior, culminating in the events in
                  Europe during the period when Nazi Germany was ascendant. I know you have
                  questioned whether Hitler was really so bad afterall and have raised claims
                  that he was justified in his desire to eliminate the Jews since Jews
                  allegedly collaborated in the defeat of Germany during World War I. But that
                  is historically spurious clap-trap and though you (and the Nazis before you)
                  can claim it, it doesn't make it true. People can and do claim all sorts of
                  nonsense and it is incumbent upon us to point out errors to them, when they
                  occur, and contest such silliness, but when that falls on deaf ears, there
                  is
                  no reason to push the matter further. Bottom line is that my point that the
                  Jews learned what it is like to be victims from their history and reacted in
                  a variety of ways, one of the main ways being a decided penchant for
                  liberalism, is still sound.

                  Of course, there were those who came out of the crucible of Nazism with a
                  determination never to be a victim again and these did not all shift toward
                  liberalism but rather to a hard-headed nationalist mentality and some of
                  that
                  got infused into zionism, one of your pet bug-a-boos, so there is certain
                  mixture here, as with all groups. But my point remains the same, that modern
                  Jews, on balance, are tolerant, as are modern Christians, while modern
                  Muslims, on balance, are much less so and certainly their religious leaders
                  even less than that!

                  As to your questioning my "suggestion" that Islam was founded as a religion
                  of conquest, why not just go back and look at the historical facts? Within a
                  generation of Muhammad's death, his followers swept out of Arabia and
                  conquered the Middle East, the northern coast of Africa and Persia.
                  Thereafter Islam pressed forward into Spain and France in the west, into the
                  Caucasus in the north and into India in the east. Unlike Christianity, which
                  was generally spread by missionaries, Islam traveled with the sword. Granted
                  there are other, less violent elements in Islam, as I've already noted, but
                  at its core was conquest and the sword. The rhetoric of its most assertive
                  adherents today reflects that. We don't hear about Christian, Jewish or
                  Buddhist clerics today threatening individual Muslims or the Islamic world
                  generally as we hear of Muslim clerics calling for fatwas and worse against
                  us. To disregard this in order to make the claim that Islam is no more
                  threatening to the West than we are to them is the height of hypocrisy and
                  selective reasoning.

                  SWM

                  In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:27:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
                  tommy@... writes:


                  > At 2:00 pm -0400 1/8/02, swmirsky@... wrote:
                  > >Judaism in its formative years was extremely intolerant
                  > >though after 2000 years of exile they have learned the value of
                  tolerance.
                  >
                  > This generalisation seems highly questionable. Especially when it
                  > accompanies a suggestion that Islam was founded as a religion of
                  > conquest.
                  >
                  > I don't know who the "they" you claim have learned the value of
                  > tolerance are: do you mean Jews, Zionists, orthodox believers in
                  > Judaism? It is difficult to make generalisations without also lying
                  > or being inaccurate as we have seen.
                  >
                  > It does seem to me quite obvious though that whatever you think about
                  > "the Jews" as a people, that have, to the extent that they can be
                  > considered a homogeneous entity, been forced to live as a diaspora,
                  > living in host countries as well as they can, you must conclude that
                  > the state of Israel being the entity of zionism (rather than,
                  > necessarily of "the Jews") is an entity that exemplifies intolerance
                  > rather as did Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa. In other words
                  > that it disriminates overtly on the basis of ethnicity and religion.
                  >
                  > I thought James Tan's quoted material was quite apt making the
                  > distinction between what occurs politically in "Islamic" countries
                  > and the tenets of Islam.
                  >
                  > Just because Israel is a corrupt and immoral state that has no basis
                  > for existence in the modern world is no reason to condemn "the Jews"
                  > or Judaism. This is analogous to the argument about Islamic countries
                  > and the Muslim religion.
                  >
                  > Tommy
                  >





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                • clickhereforinsignificance
                  James, The last I heard the U.N. has buffer outposts all around the world (including Cyprus... as I mentioned). I don t understand your question. Are you
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 3, 2002
                    James,

                    The last I heard the U.N. has buffer outposts all around the world
                    (including Cyprus... as I mentioned). I don't understand your
                    question. Are you asking if the the U.N. has the ability to pass
                    resolutions? Or the aforementioned ability to place peace keepers
                    around the world? Or something else?

                    ~ confused

                    ------------------

                    --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                    >
                    > does the u.n. has such authority as u suggested?
                    >
                    > james.
                    >
                    >
                    > From: "clickhereforinsignificance" <livewild@h...>
                    > Reply-To: existlist@y...
                    > To: existlist@y...
                    > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                    > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:28:26 -0000
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill,
                    >
                    > I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly
                    antagonizes
                    > the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue.
                    Israel
                    > was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
                    > Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
                    > the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of
                    gentiles.
                    >
                    > However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated
                    in a
                    > way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there
                    thousands
                    > of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
                    > open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
                    > decided they wanted their land back!!!!
                    >
                    > By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
                    > exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
                    > Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen
                    the
                    > psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
                    > is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
                    > as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
                    > girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).
                    >
                    > The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
                    > cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
                    > eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
                    > seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
                    > the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
                    > I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
                    > Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
                    > nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
                    > not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
                    > even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
                    > would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the
                    Islamic
                    > religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
                    > want the land of their ancestors back?
                    >
                    > What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
                    > policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
                    > right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
                    > disgusting manner.
                    >
                    > I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
                    > being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
                    > children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
                    > strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
                    > extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.
                    >
                    > All that being said, what should be done now is not the
                    > dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
                    > and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable
                    for
                    > either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
                    > between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is
                    the
                    > only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
                    > appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
                    > retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.
                    >
                    > This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
                    > veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
                    > solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
                    > high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
                    > the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
                    > Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a
                    9/11)
                    > one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
                    > calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
                    > Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to
                    have
                    > the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They
                    use
                    > what they have at there disposal.
                    >
                    > If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
                    > is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
                    > likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
                    > the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
                    > a fundimentalist.
                    >
                    > ~ peace through superior firepower?
                    >
                    > ---------------------------------------------
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
                    > > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I
                    hope
                    > views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to
                    their
                    > young people. Bill
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: clickhereforinsignificance
                    > > To: existlist@y...
                    > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
                    > > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
                    > writer
                    > > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
                    > the
                    > > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred
                    towards
                    > the
                    > > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
                    > have
                    > > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
                    > thousands
                    > > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of
                    the
                    > > East'.
                    > >
                    > > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
                    > capable
                    > > and as decent as any other, but the system they have
                    implemented
                    > > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
                    > politics
                    > > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine
                    around
                    > the
                    > > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist
                    related)
                    > and
                    > > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe,
                    and
                    > of
                    > > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
                    > theory.
                    > >
                    > > The West effectively used a similar technique against
                    > Communism
                    > > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
                    > end,
                    > > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
                    > > economic/political system allows for. And although there has
                    been
                    > > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of
                    them
                    > > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
                    > >
                    > > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
                    > and
                    > > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
                    > > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's
                    world.
                    > > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like
                    christianity
                    > > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
                    > > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover
                    Western
                    > > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
                    > for
                    > > military puppet governments after the cold war.
                    > >
                    > > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
                    > every
                    > > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be
                    won
                    > by
                    > > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear
                    annhilation
                    > of
                    > > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
                    > the
                    > > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
                    > effective
                    > > towards accomplishing tasks.
                    > >
                    > > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any
                    other
                    > > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq,
                    Syria,
                    > > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
                    > Algeria,
                    > > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil
                    would
                    > > still remain to plunder.
                    > >
                    > > And yet they do not.
                    > >
                    > > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
                    > important
                    > > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
                    > die...
                    > > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
                    > >
                    > > ~ tired of petty wars
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > well, just a forward..
                    > > >
                    > > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
                    > > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
                    > > > To: Fateha@y...
                    > > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                    > > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
                    > > > ABOUT ISLAM
                    > > >
                    > > > By Huma Ahmad
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
                    > > >
                    > > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
                    > resulting
                    > > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
                    > Islam.
                    > > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
                    > Catholic
                    > > IRA
                    > > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian
                    Orthodox
                    > > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these
                    acts
                    > are
                    > > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
                    > > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
                    > times
                    > > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist,
                    etc.'
                    > > linked
                    > > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may
                    or
                    > may
                    > > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
                    > will use
                    > > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult
                    the
                    > > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
                    > says
                    > > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
                    > > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
                    > word
                    > > > meaning 'peace'.
                    > > >
                    > > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
                    > Perhaps
                    > > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in
                    the
                    > West,
                    > > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
                    > they
                    > > make
                    > > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
                    > > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
                    > defence of
                    > > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
                    > forcibly
                    > > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
                    > include
                    > > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
                    > crops,
                    > > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
                    > > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah
                    Swt
                    > > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
                    > Allaah
                    > > Swt
                    > > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
                    > peace,
                    > > then
                    > > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One
                    that
                    > > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
                    > > >
                    > > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
                    > rigorous
                    > > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
                    > literally
                    > > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
                    > jihad.
                    > > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
                    > everyone
                    > > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining
                    inner
                    > > peace.
                    > > >
                    > > > 2: Islam oppresses women
                    > > >
                    > > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
                    > forced to
                    > > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
                    > people's
                    > > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
                    > oppress
                    > > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
                    > these
                    > > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law)
                    and
                    > > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of
                    gender
                    > > > equality.
                    > > >
                    > > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles
                    and
                    > > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
                    > example of
                    > > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married,
                    as
                    > an
                    > > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and
                    dispose
                    > of
                    > > her
                    > > > property and earnings.
                    > > >
                    > > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her
                    own
                    > > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
                    > taking
                    > > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
                    > way
                    > > that
                    > > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt
                    said: "The
                    > most
                    > > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in
                    manner
                    > and
                    > > > kindest to his wife."
                    > > >
                    > > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
                    > their
                    > > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a
                    simple,
                    > > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
                    > > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
                    > > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as
                    a
                    > last
                    > > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
                    > marry
                    > > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
                    > think
                    > > may
                    > > > be suitable.
                    > > >
                    > > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
                    > > >
                    > > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
                    > Muslims
                    > > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it
                    is an
                    > > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God
                    and
                    > > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word
                    which
                    > the
                    > > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
                    > Christ
                    > > used
                    > > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
                    > > identical
                    > > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
                    > same God
                    > > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe
                    that
                    > > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship
                    and
                    > in
                    > > the
                    > > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed
                    through
                    > His
                    > > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
                    > many
                    > > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that
                    God
                    > in
                    > > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
                    > does not
                    > > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
                    > human-
                    > > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
                    > > >
                    > > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other
                    faiths.
                    > > >
                    > > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of
                    an
                    > Arab
                    > > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
                    > other,
                    > > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
                    > correct
                    > > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
                    > freedom of
                    > > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids
                    you
                    > not,
                    > > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
                    > drive
                    > > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
                    > them; for
                    > > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
                    > > >
                    > > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There
                    is
                    > no
                    > > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
                    > > direction
                    > > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
                    > > >
                    > > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his
                    study
                    > of
                    > > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
                    > attempt to
                    > > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population,
                    or
                    > of
                    > > any
                    > > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
                    > religion,
                    > > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either
                    course
                    > of
                    > > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
                    > > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
                    > made
                    > > > Protestantism..."
                    > > >
                    > > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
                    > status of
                    > > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
                    > > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
                    > > examples
                    > > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph
                    Omar
                    > > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
                    > worship
                    > > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
                    > > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and
                    that
                    > their
                    > > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked
                    the
                    > > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
                    > all
                    > > the
                    > > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities
                    to
                    > set
                    > > up
                    > > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
                    > > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens
                    in
                    > an
                    > > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
                    > Muslim or
                    > > > not.
                    > > >
                    > > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
                    > > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
                    > > > Swt
                    > > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
                    > > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
                    > come
                    > > to
                    > > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
                    > Swt 's
                    > > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
                    > > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
                    > > >
                    > > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
                    > > >
                    > > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
                    > out of
                    > > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
                    > range of
                    > > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
                    > the
                    > > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common
                    Islamic
                    > > faith.
                    > > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
                    > > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of
                    Pakistan.
                    > > Thirty
                    > > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in
                    Sub-
                    > > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
                    > and
                    > > 10%
                    > > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
                    > make up
                    > > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
                    > > minorities
                    > > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
                    > they
                    > > are
                    > > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states,
                    India
                    > and
                    > > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the
                    United
                    > > > States.
                    > > >
                    > > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
                    > > >
                    > > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
                    > different
                    > > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
                    > members
                    > > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this
                    group
                    > to be
                    > > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
                    > gain.
                    > > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the
                    language
                    > used
                    > > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
                    > should
                    > > be
                    > > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
                    > > > Farrakhan.
                    > > >
                    > > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
                    > example,
                    > > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
                    > was
                    > > the
                    > > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is
                    no
                    > > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of
                    Allaah
                    > Swt ,
                    > > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many
                    other
                    > > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have
                    little
                    > to do
                    > > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim
                    to
                    > > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
                    > > >
                    > > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and
                    find
                    > the
                    > > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
                    > Muslim
                    > > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
                    > under the
                    > > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the
                    direct
                    > > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
                    > form the
                    > > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
                    > religion
                    > > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
                    > > >
                    > > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
                    > being
                    > > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
                    > should be
                    > > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam,
                    such an
                    > > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam
                    but
                    > > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
                    > Islam. In
                    > > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
                    > Read
                    > > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the
                    true
                    > > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
                    > > >
                    > > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
                    > > >
                    > > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The
                    underlying
                    > > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
                    > population of
                    > > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due
                    to
                    > > wars,
                    > > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
                    > circumstances
                    > > men
                    > > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would
                    have
                    > > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other
                    moral
                    > > evils.
                    > > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
                    > solution
                    > > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained
                    polygamy.
                    > > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other
                    ailments
                    > a
                    > > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
                    > > husband.
                    > > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to
                    practise
                    > > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has
                    given
                    > men
                    > > > the permission to remarry.
                    > > >
                    > > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
                    > husband is
                    > > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
                    > humanly
                    > > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
                    > on the
                    > > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in
                    horrible
                    > > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their
                    society.
                    > > >
                    > > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
                    > > >
                    > > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
                    > was the
                    > > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
                    > Allaah
                    > > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to
                    use
                    > his
                    > > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
                    > great
                    > > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for
                    according
                    > to
                    > > the
                    > > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
                    > man
                    > > and
                    > > > woman'.
                    > > >
                    > > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
                    > with
                    > > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
                    > physics,
                    > > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
                    > history.
                    > > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals,
                    and
                    > also
                    > > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
                    > mathematics),
                    > > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
                    > > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages
                    of
                    > > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the
                    quadrant
                    > and
                    > > > good navigational maps.
                    > > >
                    > > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims
                    worship
                    > him
                    > > >
                    > > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
                    > his
                    > > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
                    > afterwards, he
                    > > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh.
                    As
                    > he
                    > > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
                    > > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
                    > arbitrate
                    > > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and
                    meditative.
                    > > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and
                    had
                    > long
                    > > > detested the decadence of his society.
                    > > >
                    > > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
                    > of
                    > > Hira
                    > > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
                    > retreat,
                    > > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
                    > > > from Allaah
                    > > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
                    > > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
                    > began to
                    > > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the
                    truth
                    > > which
                    > > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
                    > > > group of
                    > > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
                    > that in
                    > > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
                    > > > emigrate.
                    > > >
                    > > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
                    > Makkah for
                    > > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim
                    calendar.
                    > > After
                    > > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able
                    to
                    > > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
                    > established
                    > > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age
                    of
                    > 63,
                    > > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century
                    of
                    > his
                    > > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east
                    as
                    > > China.
                    > > >
                    > > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message,
                    he
                    > is
                    > > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
                    > Islam
                    > > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
                    > Muslims
                    > > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
                    > were all
                    > > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet
                    was
                    > sent
                    > > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
                    > > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
                    > > > final messenger
                    > > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and
                    honour
                    > him
                    > > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they
                    do
                    > not
                    > > > worship him.
                    > > >
                    > > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
                    > bearer
                    > > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto
                    Allaah
                    > > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
                    > > > (Qur'an 33:45-
                    > > > 46)
                    > > >
                    > > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
                    > > >
                    > > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second
                    Coming.
                    > They
                    > > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers
                    to
                    > > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
                    > but
                    > > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin
                    birth (a
                    > > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
                    > considered the
                    > > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
                    > Annunciation
                    > > as
                    > > > follows:
                    > > >
                    > > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
                    > purified
                    > > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
                    > Allaah
                    > > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall
                    be
                    > the
                    > > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and
                    the
                    > > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
                    > shall
                    > > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and
                    shall
                    > be of
                    > > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
                    > when no
                    > > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates
                    what
                    > He
                    > > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it
                    is."
                    > > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
                    > > >
                    > > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which
                    had
                    > > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the
                    likeness
                    > of
                    > > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of
                    Adam. He
                    > > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
                    > > (Qur'an
                    > > > 3:59)
                    > > >
                    > > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles.
                    The
                    > > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
                    > from
                    > > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
                    > of a
                    > > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah
                    Swt 's
                    > > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
                    > dead by
                    > > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
                    > > >
                    > > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
                    > basic
                    > > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
                    > > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
                    > > >
                    > > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he
                    came: "And I
                    > have
                    > > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat
                    (Torah),
                    > and
                    > > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and
                    I
                    > have
                    > > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt
                    and
                    > obey
                    > > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
                    > > >
                    > > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there
                    is
                    > no
                    > > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
                    > Muhammad
                    > > (SAW)
                    > > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
                    > > messenger
                    > > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
                    > emanating
                    > > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
                    > received by
                    > > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
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                  • Bill Harris
                    Click, I cannot disagree with your look at the middle east. All sides claim moral superiority while acting in narrow self interest. Two things can break the
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 5, 2002
                      Click, I cannot disagree with your look at the middle east. All sides claim moral superiority while acting in narrow self interest. Two things can break the deadlock. The oil runs out, or the Jews give up. I really see the Arabs slowly gaining the upper hand in this. The bomber strategy is very effective and fits the religious model of the Islamic warrior. A foolish zealot makes a cost effective delivery system.
                      Listening to on the street interviews from Telaviv, I denoted a defeatist attitude in some of the populace. I do not think the Jews can hold out fifty years until the oil runs out. I think many of those with money and connections are migrating out. Living seems more important than religion. The Arabs have little to lose but when the oil money stops the mideast will return to the hell hole it was before WW1.
                      One thing I think the Bush people clearly understand is that our national interest is a three letter word, OIL. . The US will twist and turn and play many games to assure we have what we need. Blood for oil is a hard political sell and Bush has to get reelected. I think a second term for Bush means a general war in that region. Bill
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: clickhereforinsignificance
                      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:28 PM
                      Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM



                      Bill,

                      I think that the Israel/Palestinian conflict certainly antagonizes
                      the Islamic situation... but it's an entirely different issue. Israel
                      was created as a Jewish homeland in response to centuries of anti-
                      Semitism and capped off with the attempt to exterminate them during
                      the holocaust. IT's quite understandable Jewish distrust of gentiles.

                      However during its creation Palestine lands were appropriated in a
                      way that is questionable. Saying your ancestors lived there thousands
                      of years ago as a rational argument for illegal immigration would
                      open the door to countless wars forever. Imagine if the Indians
                      decided they wanted their land back!!!!

                      By now though.... I believe that Israel should have a right to
                      exist. And I honestly believe that a homeland might transition
                      Judaism from a religion to more of a cultural identity and lessen the
                      psychological stress and sense of persecution so many Jews feel (It
                      is important to note Israeli is not synonymous as Jewish though....
                      as is the common preconception. My Jewish friends and former
                      girlfriend detested Israeli policies ).

                      The current Israeli government believes that if they continue to
                      cram people into formally Palestinian lands that the problem will
                      eventually disappear. They are currently building a huge wall (which
                      seems to be getting very little publicity) that will likely become
                      the demarcation point for Israeli lands. This tactic might work, but
                      I believe this sense of progress is very short sighted if a
                      Palestinian state is not created. They would be creating a people of
                      nomads and antagonizing over 300 million Arabs around them who will
                      not soon forget. These struggles date back thousands of years and
                      even if Israeli completely eliminated every Arab from its lands they
                      would be under constant threat for potentially as long as the Islamic
                      religion exists. Maybe in a few thousand years Palestinian's will
                      want the land of their ancestors back?

                      What I find most interesting and perhaps more important, Israeli
                      policy seems to be subscribing to the idea that might equals moral
                      right. The Nazi's used the same approach albeit in a much more
                      disgusting manner.

                      I sympathize more with Palestinians on this issue since they are
                      being robbed of their identity and country. In addition their
                      children are dying at three times the rate (not only the symtex
                      strapped ones either). However too many of them are also
                      extremistists that demand the complete irradication of Israeli.

                      All that being said, what should be done now is not the
                      dissolution of Israeli, but a mission by the U.N. They should go in
                      and take over, then split the land in a way that is not equitable for
                      either party (the sign of a good agreement). A security buffer
                      between the countries should then be created (ala Cyprus) This is the
                      only rational approach for everyone to save face. Otherwise it
                      appears like manipulation of U.S. policy caused by fear of political
                      retaliation from extremist Jewish lobby groups.

                      This seems apparent as the U.S. has used their security council
                      veto power to prevent U.N. resolutions from implementing this
                      solution on countless occasions. Where else in the world are there
                      high profile wars happening where U.N. is not involved? In addition
                      the current Israeli government has attempted to associate the
                      Palestinian issue with the larger Islamic fundamentalist (a.k.a 9/11)
                      one to hide continued expansion and justify it to the public. They
                      calling it terrorist but to the Palestinians it's freedom fighting.
                      Sure they blow themselves up, but I suspect they would prefer to have
                      the F-16's and tanks Israeli uses to kill it's own citizens. They use
                      what they have at there disposal.

                      If Israeli tactics are continued (without U.N. intervention), it
                      is very short term opportunistic thinking and unfortunately will
                      likely continue to propagate anti-Semitism around the world. If only
                      the moderates in Israel had not had their Prime Minister executed by
                      a fundimentalist.

                      ~ peace through superior firepower?

                      ---------------------------------------------



                      --- In existlist@y..., "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@q...> wrote:
                      > click, Very rational, very positive, very well thought out. I hope
                      views like yours prevail, rather than those who strap symtex to their
                      young people. Bill
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: clickhereforinsignificance
                      > To: existlist@y...
                      > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM
                      > Subject: [existlist] Re: TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Interesting and educational. However one thing that the
                      writer
                      > does not differentiate between is theory and actual practice of
                      the
                      > religion. There is a great deal of conditioning of hatred towards
                      the
                      > west happening in those countries. Although in the West we too
                      have
                      > our ridiculous propaganda, I have not observed hundreds of
                      thousands
                      > of people gathering together to protest 'the great satans of the
                      > East'.
                      >
                      > I believe the people (of Islamic states) themselves are
                      capable
                      > and as decent as any other, but the system they have implemented
                      > (much like communism) is doomed unless the realities of it's
                      politics
                      > change. They are aggressively pushing religious docterine around
                      the
                      > world (practically all the hotspots are muslim extremist related)
                      and
                      > the WORLD (including areas like India, China, Russia, Europe, and
                      of
                      > course 'the great satan' are responding with balance of power
                      theory.
                      >
                      > The West effectively used a similar technique against
                      Communism
                      > (another great theory) with the Policy of Containment. In the
                      end,
                      > they beat them with the innovation the freedom of their
                      > economic/political system allows for. And although there has been
                      > pains involved in that transition it does not appear most of them
                      > wish to return to the 'old ways'.
                      >
                      > I sympathize with Islamics that don't want to seperate church
                      and
                      > state, but if they do not they only stiffle there own people's
                      > freedom and ability to compete in the realities of today's world.
                      > Islam can certainly survive this struggle (much like christianity
                      > survived) but Islamic run states will not. They will need to
                      > transition to democracy. When they do they will discover Western
                      > support for totalitarian Kings will evapourate much like it did
                      for
                      > military puppet governments after the cold war.
                      >
                      > There is a cold war of sorts that is now being recognized by
                      every
                      > non-islamic country in the world. And that war will either be won
                      by
                      > the non-islamic states... or will lead to the nuclear annhilation
                      of
                      > both. It is enivitable that democracy will eventually take over
                      the
                      > world. Perhaps it is 'evil' (subjective) but it is highly
                      effective
                      > towards accomplishing tasks.
                      >
                      > Finally, the truth of the matter is... the west (and any other
                      > nuclear powers)could obliterate countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria,
                      > Israel (interesting that I include it eh?), Jordan, Egypt,
                      Algeria,
                      > Saudi Arabia, etc.... in a matter of hours. And all the oil would
                      > still remain to plunder.
                      >
                      > And yet they do not.
                      >
                      > I wish fundimentalist's (of any type) would notice that
                      important
                      > little fact more often. Many proclaim they are not afraid to
                      die...
                      > but I suspect they are the ones that are afraid to live.
                      >
                      > ~ tired of petty wars
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In existlist@y..., "james tan" <tyjfk@h...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > well, just a forward..
                      > >
                      > > From: "bentarawira" <abidin-mz@d...>
                      > > Reply-To: Fateha@y...
                      > > To: Fateha@y...
                      > > Subject: [Fateha] TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM
                      > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:48:56 -0000
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > TOP TEN MISCONCEPTIONS
                      > > ABOUT ISLAM
                      > >
                      > > By Huma Ahmad
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > 1.Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists
                      > >
                      > > This is the biggest misconception about Islam, no doubt
                      resulting
                      > > from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives
                      Islam.
                      > > When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a
                      Catholic
                      > IRA
                      > > guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox
                      > > militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts
                      are
                      > > not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts
                      > > attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many
                      times
                      > > have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.'
                      > linked
                      > > with violence. Politics in so-called "Muslim countries" may or
                      may
                      > > not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians
                      will use
                      > > the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should consult the
                      > > source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam
                      says
                      > > from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally
                      > > means 'submission to Allaah Swt ' and is derived from a root
                      word
                      > > meaning 'peace'.
                      > >
                      > > Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world.
                      Perhaps
                      > > this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the
                      West,
                      > > whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and
                      they
                      > make
                      > > no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like
                      > > Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defence, in
                      defence of
                      > > religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled
                      forcibly
                      > > from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat, which
                      include
                      > > prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying
                      crops,
                      > > trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF
                      > > INNOCENTS.... The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of Allaah Swt
                      > > against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.
                      Allaah
                      > Swt
                      > > does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek
                      peace,
                      > then
                      > > seek you peace. And trust in Allaah Swt for He is the One that
                      > > heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
                      > >
                      > > War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the
                      rigorous
                      > > conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad'
                      literally
                      > > means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of
                      jihad.
                      > > The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul, which
                      everyone
                      > > wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner
                      > peace.
                      > >
                      > > 2: Islam oppresses women
                      > >
                      > > The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and
                      forced to
                      > > stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most
                      people's
                      > > thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that
                      oppress
                      > > women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of
                      these
                      > > countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and
                      > > introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender
                      > > equality.
                      > >
                      > > Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and
                      > > equity between the two is laid down in the Quran and the
                      example of
                      > > the Prophet. Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as
                      an
                      > > individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose
                      of
                      > her
                      > > property and earnings.
                      > >
                      > > A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own
                      > > personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than
                      taking
                      > > her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a
                      way
                      > that
                      > > is modest and dignified. The Messenger of Allaah Swt said: "The
                      most
                      > > perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner
                      and
                      > > kindest to his wife."
                      > >
                      > > Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against
                      their
                      > > will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple,
                      > > legal agreement in which either partner is free to include
                      > > conditions. Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to
                      > > country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a
                      last
                      > > resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to
                      marry
                      > > against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they
                      think
                      > may
                      > > be suitable.
                      > >
                      > > 3: Muslims worship a different God.
                      > >
                      > > Allah Swt is simply the Arabic word for God. Allaah Swt for
                      Muslims
                      > > is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an
                      > > Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and
                      > > ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which
                      the
                      > > Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus
                      Christ
                      > used
                      > > in Aramaic when he prayed to Allaah Swt . Allaah Swt has an
                      > identical
                      > > name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allaah Swt is the
                      same God
                      > > worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that
                      > > Allaah Swt 's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and
                      in
                      > the
                      > > pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through
                      His
                      > > Messengers and Prophets who were sent at various times and in
                      many
                      > > places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God
                      in
                      > > Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired,
                      does not
                      > > have a son (i.e. Jesus) or have associates, nor does He have
                      human-
                      > > like attributions as found in other faiths.
                      > >
                      > > 4: Islam was spread by sword and is intolerant of other faiths.
                      > >
                      > > Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an
                      Arab
                      > > horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the
                      other,
                      > > conquering and forcibly converting. This, however, is not a
                      correct
                      > > portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and
                      freedom of
                      > > religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "Allaah Swt forbids you
                      not,
                      > > with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor
                      drive
                      > > you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with
                      them; for
                      > > Allaah Swt loveth those who are just." (Qur'an 60:8)
                      > >
                      > > Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is
                      no
                      > > compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
                      > direction
                      > > is distinctly clear from error." (Qur'an 2:256)
                      > >
                      > > Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study
                      of
                      > > the question of the spread of Islam: "...of any organized
                      attempt to
                      > > force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or
                      of
                      > any
                      > > systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian
                      religion,
                      > > we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course
                      of
                      > > action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
                      > > Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV
                      made
                      > > Protestantism..."
                      > >
                      > > It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged
                      status of
                      > > minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
                      > > flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
                      > examples
                      > > of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar
                      > > entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
                      worship
                      > > to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
                      > > inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that
                      their
                      > > places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
                      > > Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to
                      all
                      > the
                      > > holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to
                      set
                      > up
                      > > their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
                      > > minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in
                      an
                      > > Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is
                      Muslim or
                      > > not.
                      > >
                      > > Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human
                      > > equality and how all people are equal in the sight of Allaah
                      > > Swt
                      > > . "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and
                      > > female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may
                      come
                      > to
                      > > know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in Allaah
                      Swt 's
                      > > sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allaah Swt
                      > > is All-Knowing, All- Aware."
                      > >
                      > > 5: All Muslims are Arabs
                      > >
                      > > The Muslim population of the world is around 1,2 billion. One
                      out of
                      > > every five people in the world is a Muslim. They are a vast
                      range of
                      > > races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe from
                      the
                      > > Philippines to Nigeria they are united by their common Islamic
                      > faith.
                      > > Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim
                      > > community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan.
                      > Thirty
                      > > percent of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-
                      > > Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world,
                      and
                      > 10%
                      > > in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan
                      make up
                      > > 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim
                      > minorities
                      > > in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia,
                      they
                      > are
                      > > most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India
                      and
                      > > central Africa. There are about 6 million Muslims in the United
                      > > States.
                      > >
                      > > 6: The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group
                      > >
                      > > Islam and the so-called "Nation of Islam (NOI)" are two
                      different
                      > > religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its
                      members
                      > > are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group
                      to be
                      > > just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own
                      gain.
                      > > The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language
                      used
                      > > by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion
                      should
                      > be
                      > > called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis
                      > > Farrakhan.
                      > >
                      > > Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For
                      example,
                      > > Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man'
                      was
                      > the
                      > > original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no
                      > > racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of Allaah
                      Swt ,
                      > > the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other
                      > > theological examples that show the NOI's teachings have little
                      to do
                      > > with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to
                      > > represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.
                      > >
                      > > Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find
                      the
                      > > true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every
                      Muslim
                      > > are the Quran and authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings
                      under the
                      > > label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct
                      > > understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam
                      form the
                      > > Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a
                      religion
                      > > should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult.
                      > >
                      > > In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism
                      being
                      > > one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults
                      should be
                      > > not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam, such an
                      > > example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but
                      > > Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion,
                      Islam. In
                      > > fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
                      Read
                      > > about in relation to this misconception, where he found the true
                      > > Islam, realising that it is much different than NOI.
                      > >
                      > > 7: Polygamy is cruelty It is one of favors of Islam
                      > >
                      > > that it has allowed men to marry more than once. The underlying
                      > > wisdom of this command is now becoming manifest as the
                      population of
                      > > women is increasing. The population of men is decreasing due to
                      > wars,
                      > > accidents and other such reasons. So if under these
                      circumstances
                      > men
                      > > were allowed to marry once, a large number of women would have
                      > > remained unmarried and have turned to adultery and other moral
                      > evils.
                      > > Therefore, for the protection of orphans and widows and the
                      solution
                      > > of the problem of marriage of maidens Islam ordained polygamy.
                      > > Secondly, during childbirth and menstruation and other ailments
                      a
                      > > woman becomes unable to fulfil the matrimonial rights of her
                      > husband.
                      > > So if under these circumstances a man is not allowed to practise
                      > > polygamy he might turn to adultery. That is why Islam has given
                      men
                      > > the permission to remarry.
                      > >
                      > > Here it must also be remembered that in case of polygamy
                      husband is
                      > > under obligation to treat his wives with as much equality as
                      humanly
                      > > possible. If he fails to do so he will have to account for it
                      on the
                      > > Day of Judgement. In the West monogamy has resulted in horrible
                      > > effects. All forms of moral evils are common in their society.
                      > >
                      > > 8: Muslims are a barbaric, backward people
                      > >
                      > > Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam
                      was the
                      > > simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one
                      Allaah
                      > > Swt worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use
                      his
                      > > powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years,
                      great
                      > > civilisations and universities were flourishing, for according
                      to
                      > the
                      > > Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim
                      man
                      > and
                      > > woman'.
                      > >
                      > > The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought
                      with
                      > > old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics,
                      physics,
                      > > astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and
                      history.
                      > > Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and
                      also
                      > > the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of
                      mathematics),
                      > > were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated
                      > > instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of
                      > > discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant
                      and
                      > > good navigational maps.
                      > >
                      > > 9: Muhammad (SAW) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship
                      him
                      > >
                      > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since
                      his
                      > > father died before his birth, and his mother shortly
                      afterwards, he
                      > > was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As
                      he
                      > > grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and
                      > > sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to
                      arbitrate
                      > > in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.
                      > > Muhammad (SAW) pbuh, was of a deeply religious nature, and had
                      long
                      > > detested the decadence of his society.
                      > >
                      > > It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave
                      of
                      > Hira
                      > > near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative
                      retreat,
                      > > Muhammad SAW (PBUH) received his first revelation
                      > > from Allaah
                      > > Swt through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which
                      > > continued for 23 years is known as the Quran. As soon as he
                      began to
                      > > recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth
                      > which
                      > > Allaah Swt had revealed to him, he and his small
                      > > group of
                      > > followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce
                      that in
                      > > the year 622 Allaah swt gave them the command to
                      > > emigrate.
                      > >
                      > > This event, the Hijrah or 'migration', in which they left
                      Makkah for
                      > > the city of Madina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.
                      > After
                      > > several years, the Prophet (PBUH)and his followers were able to
                      > > return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and
                      established
                      > > Islam definitively. Before the death of Prophet r at the age of
                      63,
                      > > the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of
                      his
                      > > death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far east as
                      > China.
                      > >
                      > > While Muhammad SAW (PBUH )was chosen to deliver the message, he
                      is
                      > > not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider
                      Islam
                      > > to be the same Divine guidance sent to all Prophets before.
                      Muslims
                      > > believe all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc.
                      were all
                      > > sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was
                      sent
                      > > to his own people, but Muhammad SAW (PBUH) was sent to all of
                      > > mankind. Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã is the last and
                      > > final messenger
                      > > sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honour
                      him
                      > > (PBUH) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do
                      not
                      > > worship him.
                      > >
                      > > "O Prophet(PBUH), verily We have sent you as a witness and a
                      bearer
                      > > of glad tidings and a Warner and as one who invites unto Allaah
                      > > Swt by His leave and as an illuminating lamp."
                      > > (Qur'an 33:45-
                      > > 46)
                      > >
                      > > 10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other Prophets
                      > >
                      > > Muslims respect and revere Jesusu and await his Second Coming.
                      They
                      > > consider him one of the greatest of Allaah Swt 's messengers to
                      > > mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Eesa (As) ',
                      but
                      > > always adds the phraseu. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a
                      > > chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is
                      considered the
                      > > purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the
                      Annunciation
                      > as
                      > > follows:
                      > >
                      > > "Behold!" the Angel said, "Allaah Swt has chosen you, and
                      purified
                      > > you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary,
                      Allaah
                      > > Swt gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be
                      the
                      > > Messiah, Eesa (AS) son of Mary, honoured in this world and the
                      > > Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allaah Swt . He
                      shall
                      > > speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall
                      be of
                      > > the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son
                      when no
                      > > man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allaah Swt creates what
                      He
                      > > wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is."
                      > > (Qur'an 3:42-47)
                      > >
                      > > Jesusu was born miraculously through the same power, which had
                      > > brought Adamu into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness
                      of
                      > > Eesa (As) (Jesus) with Allaah Swt is as the likeness of Adam. He
                      > > created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."
                      > (Qur'an
                      > > 3:59)
                      > >
                      > > During his prophetic mission Jesusu performed many miracles. The
                      > > Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign
                      from
                      > > your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure
                      of a
                      > > bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah Swt 's
                      > > leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the
                      dead by
                      > > Allaah Swt 's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)
                      > >
                      > > Neither Muhammad (SAW) (PBUH) nor Jesus u came to change the
                      basic
                      > > doctrine of the belief in One Allaah (SAW) brought by earlier
                      > > Prophets, but to confirm and renew it.
                      > >
                      > > In the Qur'an Jesusu is reported as saying that he came: "And I
                      have
                      > > come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah),
                      and
                      > > to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; and I
                      have
                      > > come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear Allaah Swt and
                      obey
                      > > me." (Qur'an 3:50)
                      > >
                      > > The Prophet Muhammad(SAW)PBUH said: "Whoever believes there is
                      no
                      > > Allaah Swt but Allaah Swt , alone without partner, that
                      Muhammad
                      > (SAW)
                      > > (PBUH) is His messenger, that Eesa (As) is the servant and
                      > messenger
                      > > of Allaah (SAW) , His word breathed into Mary and a spirit
                      emanating
                      > > from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be
                      received by
                      > > Allaah (SAW) into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
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