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  • daniel_needles
    Mr. Ed, Dr. David Chalmers at www.consc.net has a number of good articles on the subject of Zombies if you are interested. In fact he has an entire site
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      Mr. Ed,
      Dr. David Chalmers at www.consc.net has a number of good articles
      on the subject of Zombies if you are interested. In fact he has an
      entire site dedicated to it --
      http://www.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/zombies.html

      Thanks,
      Daniel

      --- In existlist@y..., "michael mcguire" <signinname01@h...> wrote:
      > Eduard wrote:
      > Mike,
      > >
      > >I don't understand ... sorry ... may I have some
      > >clarification ....
      > >
      > >What is the "Zombie problem"?? I have not heard
      > >of that before. Are there really philosophers out
      > >there who are working on a solution to trying to
      > >figure out the difference between a Zombie and an
      > >average human?? Also, why should a thought
      > >experiment be considered as a "philosophical
      > >zombie"?? I should think that a thought
      > >experiment is a valid approach to dealing with an
      > >issue.
      > >
      > >eduard
      >
      >
      >
      > >eduard,
      >
      > All I meant by 'zombie problem' relates to work being done on
      consciousness
      > and the extent to which a science of consciousness might be
      possible. Put
      > more directly, the 'zombie problem' comes up in discussions about
      the
      > possibilities of giving 3rd person accounts of 1st person life
      > (subjectivity). The zombie 'problem' in reference to all of this
      then is
      > simply the expression taken for the fact that we truly could not
      distinguish
      > a zombie from a human by its' behaviors and speech. Our friends
      could be
      > zombies. (I don't take this seriously. All that I have heard about
      certain
      > serious philosophers taking this issue seriously is unsubstantiated
      and
      > non-specific, so I don't know anything else about what they take to
      be the
      > real heart of the issue here.) The zombie problem is only a Problem
      if you
      > actually think it is a problem -I personally do not think it is.
      >
      > It is just a thought experiment and a good one for certain
      discussions about
      > consciousness and phenomenology. I don't take it serious in
      actuality. I DO
      > think thought experiments like one's about zombies are helpful for
      > understanding issues.
      >
      > Finally, i used the term 'philosophical zombie' just as a way of
      > distinguishing between the zombies that have been discussed on this
      list
      > that are real (like the Haitian Voudon ones or whatever) and the
      ones that
      > exist only in the context of helpful thought experiments.
      >
      > Don't know if this helps. Maybe not. Talk of zombies has come up in
      some
      > books I have read on consciousness and I was mostly just trying to
      recapture
      > things that were said there as best as I could.
      >
      > mike
      >
      >
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