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  • Bill Harris
    Actually I enjoyed the argument and thought it was beneficial. Bill ... From: daniel_needles To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:46 PM
    Message 1 of 59 , Jun 26, 2002
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      Actually I enjoyed the argument and thought it was beneficial. Bill
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: daniel_needles
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:46 PM
      Subject: [existlist] Re: I think I think therefore I think I think I am.


      >>Might as well have fought and died over red and blue clams. Bill

      Bill, don't tell me you like blue clams? What's wrong with you! 8~)

      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Eduard Alf" <yeoman@v...>
      > To: <existlist@y...>
      > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:03 AM
      > Subject: RE: [existlist] Re: I think I think therefore I think I
      think I am.
      >
      >
      > > Biggie,
      > >
      > > There is an inherent moral perspective in humans.
      > > We seek to help others, because we are social
      > > animals. Religion tends to act on two planes.
      > > The first [I am not suggesting a particular order
      > > or importance] is to answer questions of death.
      > > The other is to serve as a conduit for the moral
      > > perspective which is already there, but which
      > > requires direction.
      > >
      > > In other words, people do good, not because they
      > > are of a particular religion, but because they
      > > normally wish to do good and only need a vehicle
      > > within which to do it. That is why, in church
      > > groups organized to help the poor, there is not a
      > > need to get into discussions on religious
      > > doctrines. Certain, these group use religious
      > > words to express themselves, but the religion is
      > > of less importance than the good works.
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: George Walton
      > > [mailto:iambiguously@y...]
      > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:39 AM
      > > To: existlist@y...
      > > Subject: RE: [existlist] Re: I think I think
      > > therefore I think I think I
      > > am.
      > >
      > > Eduard,
      > >
      > > I could not agree more with you that religion, as
      > > it
      > > is practiced daily by literally millions of folks
      > > around the globe, is not something that can be
      > > circumscribed as either "good" or "bad". For
      > > example,
      > > I do volunteer work, and most of the people I work
      > > with are quite religious. The organization is, in
      > > fact, an inter-denominational congregation of many
      > > religous faiths practiced in many differnet ways
      > > by
      > > many different people. I see first hand how
      > > religous
      > > motivation can spur people to do enormously good
      > > things for others.
      > >
      > > But these interactions almost never revolve around
      > > philosophical discussions of God. In here [a
      > > philosophy forum], on the other hand, those who
      > > express faith in religous or spititual renditions
      > > of
      > > reality...or in some other "supernatural" entity
      > > should be prepared to discuss their beliefs [when
      > > religion comes up as a topic] as philosophical
      > > exchanges are conducted: reasonably, empirically,
      > > logically, epistemologically.
      > >
      > > In philosophy venues, it matters far less what you
      > > believe and far more what you are able to
      > > demonstrate
      > > rationally as being true to others. Besides, there
      > > are
      > > about 78,634,868,529 sites on the Internet alone
      > > ready
      > > willing and able to accomodate those who wish to
      > > broach their opinions "in the name of God". That's
      > > a
      > > bakery compared to the few crumbs set aside for
      > > those
      > > of us who insist on much more rigorous
      > > intellectual
      > > standards.
      > >
      > > Biggie
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • Bill Harris
      Actually I enjoyed the argument and thought it was beneficial. Bill ... From: daniel_needles To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:46 PM
      Message 59 of 59 , Jun 26, 2002
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        Actually I enjoyed the argument and thought it was beneficial. Bill
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: daniel_needles
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:46 PM
        Subject: [existlist] Re: I think I think therefore I think I think I am.


        >>Might as well have fought and died over red and blue clams. Bill

        Bill, don't tell me you like blue clams? What's wrong with you! 8~)

        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Eduard Alf" <yeoman@v...>
        > To: <existlist@y...>
        > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:03 AM
        > Subject: RE: [existlist] Re: I think I think therefore I think I
        think I am.
        >
        >
        > > Biggie,
        > >
        > > There is an inherent moral perspective in humans.
        > > We seek to help others, because we are social
        > > animals. Religion tends to act on two planes.
        > > The first [I am not suggesting a particular order
        > > or importance] is to answer questions of death.
        > > The other is to serve as a conduit for the moral
        > > perspective which is already there, but which
        > > requires direction.
        > >
        > > In other words, people do good, not because they
        > > are of a particular religion, but because they
        > > normally wish to do good and only need a vehicle
        > > within which to do it. That is why, in church
        > > groups organized to help the poor, there is not a
        > > need to get into discussions on religious
        > > doctrines. Certain, these group use religious
        > > words to express themselves, but the religion is
        > > of less importance than the good works.
        > >
        > > eduard
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: George Walton
        > > [mailto:iambiguously@y...]
        > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:39 AM
        > > To: existlist@y...
        > > Subject: RE: [existlist] Re: I think I think
        > > therefore I think I think I
        > > am.
        > >
        > > Eduard,
        > >
        > > I could not agree more with you that religion, as
        > > it
        > > is practiced daily by literally millions of folks
        > > around the globe, is not something that can be
        > > circumscribed as either "good" or "bad". For
        > > example,
        > > I do volunteer work, and most of the people I work
        > > with are quite religious. The organization is, in
        > > fact, an inter-denominational congregation of many
        > > religous faiths practiced in many differnet ways
        > > by
        > > many different people. I see first hand how
        > > religous
        > > motivation can spur people to do enormously good
        > > things for others.
        > >
        > > But these interactions almost never revolve around
        > > philosophical discussions of God. In here [a
        > > philosophy forum], on the other hand, those who
        > > express faith in religous or spititual renditions
        > > of
        > > reality...or in some other "supernatural" entity
        > > should be prepared to discuss their beliefs [when
        > > religion comes up as a topic] as philosophical
        > > exchanges are conducted: reasonably, empirically,
        > > logically, epistemologically.
        > >
        > > In philosophy venues, it matters far less what you
        > > believe and far more what you are able to
        > > demonstrate
        > > rationally as being true to others. Besides, there
        > > are
        > > about 78,634,868,529 sites on the Internet alone
        > > ready
        > > willing and able to accomodate those who wish to
        > > broach their opinions "in the name of God". That's
        > > a
        > > bakery compared to the few crumbs set aside for
        > > those
        > > of us who insist on much more rigorous
        > > intellectual
        > > standards.
        > >
        > > Biggie
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Our Home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/existlist
        > > (Includes community book list, chat, and more.)
        > >
        > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:
        > > existlist-unsubscribe@y...
        > >
        > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
        http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        > >
        > >
        > >


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