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  • judith@qbase.org
    Hi everyone ! It s going to take a while for me to complete the details of my Modern Existential Framework (for various reasons I have turned out a
    Message 1 of 57 , May 4, 2002
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      Hi everyone !

      It's going to take a while for me to complete the details of my Modern
      Existential Framework (for various reasons I have turned out a
      social-scientist rather than more hard-core scientist). As far as I am
      aware, I have not seen anything comparable to it before, and this I suspect
      is because a lot of scientists already have tomes of material under their
      belt.

      However, upon further reflection, I think the new creed for a modern
      existentialism is all-encompassing and premised on science in not an
      insignificant way. If physicists looked at Existentialism, I am certain that
      the new creed is Existence preceeds Essence preceeds Quintessence. Why?
      Because whether or not the unknown is discovered (or can be discovered), the
      vehement search for it is: (a) from an organic perspective, at the very
      vanguard of human intellect/totality of collective knowledge; and (b) is
      inherently embedded in 'classical' existentialism (existence is - the search
      for Quintessence is existential).

      Rachael - the site I found for existential information is:
      http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/ also, Eduard has mentioned transhumanism
      which can be found at: www.extropy.org - an etch of the framework I am
      working on is as follows.

      MODERN EXISTENTIAL FRAMEWORK

      - draws on all the fields of science
      - starts and ends with physics
      - suggests a new creed of existence preceeds essence preceeds quintessence
      - is characteristed by three (3) spheres if existence
      - is characterised by "Circuit Breaks" some of which science is already able
      to deliver

      3 SPHERES OF EXISTENCE
      - Fundamental-Germinal
      - Socio-Organic
      - Individual-Experiential

      My approach will be to draw on the sciences to show a progression of
      evolutionary stages for each of the three spheres. For each sphere, I will
      be compiling evidence of: (a)Manifest Existence; and (b) Conscious
      Existence. In regard to the latter, conscious existence can be located on
      the evolutionary continuum at approximate locations for : pre-conscious,
      concscious, metaconscious (and in some cases quasi conscious) stages.

      The framework also features "Circuit Breaks" which are very radical. These
      include: radical transhumanism (genetic enhancements, cyborgs, etc.),
      transport to one or more alternate universes, intra-planet genetic drift,
      and ex-orbital genetic drift.

      Basically, the framework will present all that is known about ourselves and
      our world. Importantly, even though some dissatisfaction surrounds the
      Standard Model, we need to consider the totality of existence, including
      consideration of cellular biology, memory molecules, the Y chromosome and
      SRY, animal consciousness and etc.

      All of above should be easily decipherable to a well learned scientist.
      Whilst I have yet to compile the research, it will really just be a
      presentation of scientic evidence. Also, in the process, I may discover
      other things or find my views to be all wrong. At this point in time, it
      would seem to me that everything falls under a modern variety of
      Existentialism. Again, existence is - the search for Quintessence is
      existential.

      ps. Bill - I don't think radical feminism is compatible with real progress.
      However, it would seem to me that the present condition of the global
      society (read testosterone overshooting) has and will continue to provide a
      negative feedback compelling us to find means of raising the lot of
      humankind - certainly the collective happiness index.

      pps. I was previously concerned about sequential arrangement of the three
      spheres, although I now consider that the moden existential framework can
      leave that to each individual to interpret as he/she will.


      Finally - if anyone has ideas, suggestions, comments, or any strings of
      pertinent information - I would be grateful if you would send me a note.

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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "George Walton" <iambiguously@...>
      To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>!


      Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:45 AM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Egodeath=Species death


      > Judith,
      >
      > Wow, and I thought I was the only one who knew
      > everything!
      >
      > wink, wink
      >
      > Biggie
      > --- judith@... wrote:
      > > Dear Bill
      > >
      > > My greatest existential trait is trying to do too
      > > much ... so in addition to
      > > trying to complete all the usual tasks of my daily
      > > life, I am going to
      > > dedicate some time to developing a framework that
      > > may be of some use.
      > >
      > > Coming from a more "scientific" perspective, to the
      > > satisfaction of my mind,
      > > I think I have schematically (mathematically?)
      > > resolved about 3/4 of the
      > > gender issues you have cast upon existentialism -
      > > admittedly I have not come
      > > across feminism v existentialism debate before.
      > >to
      > > Preliminarily, my thoughts would tend to
      > > superordinate existentialism's
      > > relevance beyond my previous conceptualisations. I
      > > will be seeking to
      > > address the issues from a three (3) tier framework
      > > as follows:
      > >
      > > (a) Fundamental Germinal Existentialism
      > > (b) Socio-Organic Existentialism
      > > (c) Individual-Experiential Existentialsim
      > >
      > > [ Is "germinal" a word of my own invention? I
      > > haven't found it in the
      > > dictionary, however I propose it to mean the
      > > opposite of terminal ].
      > >
      > > You should expect that the result will be more
      > > pragmatic than
      > > complex-theoretical. Having said that, the 1/4 that
      > > I am still trying to
      > > resolve is an appropriate sequencing of (a), (b),
      > > and (c) along a
      > > continuum - whether is it in fact (a), (b), (c) or
      > > (a), (c), (b), or (c),
      > > (a), (b) or another variant.
      > >
      > > When done, I think my model will help to pull
      > > together biology, chemistry,
      > > physics and the cosmic and thereby demystfy and help
      > > bring harmony to keen
      > > minds. To make the philosophy more accessible, is to
      > > deconstruct those
      > > systemic enculturation processes that may currently
      > > be seen to impede
      > > effective knowledge transmission.
      > >
      > > Just call me workaholic.
      > >
      > > I'll write again soon.
      > >
      > > Regards, Judith.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: <judith@...>
      > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 2:40 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [existlist] Egodeath=Species death
      > >
      > >
      > > > Dear Bill
      > > >
      > > > You have made some significant comments and
      > > observations - I will have to
      > > > take some time out to think and reconcile a
      > > comprehensive framework to all
      > > > if this.
      > > >
      > > > Meanwhile, since multi-streaming seems to be the
      > > order of all things these
      > > > days, especially this chat group, I would query
      > > whether you are positing
      > > > some sort of neo-existentialism, birthing an
      > > offshoot ideology or simply
      > > > seeking to cast some random vignettes.
      > > >
      > > > jml.
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: "Bill Harris" <valleywestdental@...>
      > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:34 AM
      > > > Subject: [existlist] Egodeath=Species death
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Judith, I think individual ego is derived from
      > > survival instinct. It is
      > > > also related to testosterone so there fore males
      > > have more of both.
      > > Females,
      > > > relying on estrogen, seem to prefer the
      > > collective. The feminization of US
      > > > society may be on the downside of the movement.
      > > The Bush administration
      > > > seems to take a more aggressive, individualist
      > > stance. Soft males and
      > > > socialism are not in style.
      > > > > Philosophically, individualism is a cornerstone
      > > of existentialism. That
      > > > is why I are one. It seems feminism has run its
      > > sex up against it`s
      > > history
      > > > and hormones. I really don`t give a hoot what the
      > > woman's movement does
      > > > about it cause I won`t be joining up. Teihard
      > > serves up a nice
      > > collectivist
      > > > dream world. It is closely related to Eduards
      > > happy neuron Idea. Diluting
      > > > individualism will not happen because there are
      > > way to many guys like me.
      > > If
      > > > the collective won out the species would die as a
      > > defenseless and pitiful
      > > > committee. You don`t have to like us but you have
      > > to have us to survive.
      > > > Bill----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: judith@...
      > > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:50 AM
      > > > > Subject: [existlist] Egodeath
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Hi James
      > > > >
      > > > > You're right, there are a lot of other names
      > > for collective
      > > conscious -
      > > > > global conscious, egodeath, noosphere and
      > > more... for when I can fit
      > > the
      > > > > reading time in.
      > > > >
      > > > > Many thanks, Judith.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: "Jamie C" <jcman@...>
      > > > > To: <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:42 PM
      > > > > Subject: Re: [existlist] Larmark & Darwin
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > Are points 3 and 4 not linked? Doesn't the
      > > removal of self consuming
      > > > > thought theoretically bring an opening to what
      > > you call the collective
      > > > > concious (has many other names does it not?).
      > > > > http://www.egodeath.com/egodeath.htm
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Arts based portrayl of #4.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > some artwork relating to this concept
      > > www.alexgrey.com
      > > > > >
      > > > > > some lryics relating to this concept aswell:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Black then white are all I see in my
      > > infancy.
      > > > > > red and yellow then came to be, reaching out
      > > to me.
      > > > > > lets me see.
      > > > > > As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
      > > > > > drawn beyond the lines of reason.
      > > > > > Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Over thinking, over analyzing separates the
      > > body from the mind.
      > > > > > Withering my intuition, missing
      > > opportunities and I must
      > > > > > Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way
      > > outside the lines.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Black then white are all I see in my
      > > infancy.
      > > > > > red and yellow then came to be, reaching out
      > > to me.
      > > > > > lets me see there is so much more
      > > > > > and beckons me to look through to these
      > > infinite possibilities.
      > > > > > As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
      > > > > > drawn outside the lines of reason.
      > > > > > Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Over thinking, over analyzing separates the
      > > body from the mind.
      > > > > > Withering my intuition leaving all these
      > > opportunities behind.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Feed my will to feel this moment urging me
      > > to cross the line.
      > >
      > === message truncated ===
      >
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    • William
      Spends its time with what exists , deals with the obvious,not the obscure and is as maleable as the reality around it. Bill
      Message 57 of 57 , Aug 19, 2011
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        Spends its time with what exists , deals with the obvious,not the obscure and is as maleable as the reality around it. Bill
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