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RE: [existlist] Degrading Darwin

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  • Eduard Alf
    Doug, I would grant that the idea of natural selection supports a class structure, but it also does away with the concept that the upper classes have a
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 30, 2002
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      Doug,

      I would grant that the idea of natural selection supports a class structure,
      but it also does away with the concept that the upper classes have a
      specialized basis for being there. If you can explain the advancement of
      one portion of society, then that is to open the spectre of others also
      arising. Although it is simply an opinion, my feeling is that coherent
      explanations are not welcomed by those who have a specific agenda. It was
      better in the old days when society was divinely ordered. At least you
      could pin it all on god, and who can argue against god.

      I see your point on Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union, but does not that
      confirm my point? That is, science was to be subordinated to the objectives
      of the state. I would say the same thing for Darwinism, except the "state"
      in this case is the upper class.

      eduard
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Doug Thayer [mailto:d_l_thayer@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:59 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Degrading Darwin



      On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 09:26:28AM -0400, Eduard Alf wrote:
      > james,
      >
      > the problem that Darwin had was that he upset the current paradigm that
      > supported not only the religious outlook, but also the class structure.
      > "Natural Selection" presented the possibility that anyone could raise
      > themselves to the highest ranks of society. In other words, being an
      Earl
      > or whatever is not something divinely ordained. Darwin was a threat and
      the
      > one tactic in opposing a threat is to say that it is not understood.
      >
      > eduard

      Slightly inaccurate; darwinism actually provided a rationalization for the
      class structure and fit closely with the idea of aristocratic blood.
      Those
      of higher class could be argued to have won the position over many
      generations due to better heredity (Darwin, if I understand correctly, did
      not actually know about genes but knew that children were often much like
      their parents).

      Darwinism was thus hated by socialists/communists, who embraced the
      opposite
      theory of Lamarckism, which became Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.

      ----
      Doug


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