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THE EXISTENTIAL TIMES - Vol. 1, #7 (Apr/5/02)

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  • Lewis Vella
    THE EXISTENTIAL TIMES A Philosophical(?)View from Scratch Volume 1, #7 __________________________________________________ REAL-LIFE APPLICATIONS IN ACTION In
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      THE EXISTENTIAL TIMES

      'A Philosophical(?)View from Scratch'
      Volume 1, #7

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      REAL-LIFE APPLICATIONS IN ACTION
      In this issue I would like to further explore the idea
      of communication and how it may presently affect THE
      EXISTENTIAL TIMES. Before pursuing the subject,
      however, I must state right off the bat, that the
      rather novel idea of communications systems -- that
      is, communications systems as possible mediums of
      political problem-solving processes, whereby universal
      morals and various forms of justices may be attained
      -- being only in its infancy remains quite a
      difficult topic for discussion, not only due to
      different innovative approaches offered by various
      people who see its potential, but also, I think, due
      to a lack of consensual understanding or meaning in
      the applied terminology currently being tossed around
      in its regard. For instance, I've found that such
      processes, in the Western-European socialist and
      academic spheres seem to be more commonly referred to
      as 'Communicative Action', a term made popular by a
      theory introduced by Jurgen Habermas, of the
      2nd-generation Frankfurt School, whose work was
      outlined briefly here last week. I've noticed, though,
      that on a couple of discussion forums similar
      processes have been coined 'communicationalism', or
      'communicationalist philosophy', respectively, that
      is, as far as I have followed their threads. Whether
      this is some Anglo or American bias against the
      Frankfurt School, or whether it's just a case of some
      people wanting to capitalize their own ideas by
      connecting them quite surreptitiously with the insight
      of others, or whether it's simply a matter of somewhat
      avoiding the complex existential consequences that are
      bound to arise under these circumstances (e.g.: my
      suggestion last week to open up Habermas for
      discussion), I don't know. Whatever the case, I think
      if these people are serious about what they are
      proposing on their agenda, then they might very well
      be doing themselves, as well as anyone who is
      following them, an injustice by ignoring the profound
      thinking of Habermas, the Frankfurt Schools, and any
      other valid foreign perspectives that may help advance
      any emancipatory movement towards peace, freedom and
      the goodwill of all mankind.

      In this respect, before presenting some recent
      obstacles that have confounded my own 'Communicative
      Action' attempts, I would like to here add, rather
      concisely, some of Habermas' reflections, although not
      necessarily because I totally agree with him, but
      simply because regarding this specific topic he seems
      to be most accessible, at least, at the moment.
      Habermas excerpted quotes have been selected as they
      tend to relate to SWMirsky's recent summary of
      WisdomForum's "modicum of progress...in the moral
      arena." SWMirsky's original message is available at:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/44
      while some relevant Habermas thoughts can be clicked
      on below.

      On the Popperian view that moral arguments can be
      assessed and verified empirically:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/45
      On SWMirsky's contention that morality, "if it is
      anything, must be about what we should do and when we
      should do it":
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/46
      And on SWMirsky's preference to restrict moral
      discourse to objectiveness and a "certain dispassion",
      I re-address the issue by directing you to a T. Haviid
      Nielson/Habermas question-response in its entirety:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/47

      Finally, in place of the concluding portion of
      SWMirsky's letter, wherein he draws a detailed
      analysis of the Mid-east crisis, something which, out
      of lack of a better thing to do with it, I will call
      an analysis which sheds light on a macro-dialectic of
      enlightenment -- whether done intentionally or not --
      and then compare it to, if I may, a micro-dialectic of
      enlightenment that may possibly arise when we begin to
      analyze a radically free and responsible
      existentialist. I shall attempt to do this, first, by
      presenting the logic of 'Discourse Ethics',:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/48
      and then follow that up with the two personal case
      studies listed below, asking you to keep in mind, as
      you follow through the correspondence, whether or not
      you think it was possible to sustain rather than
      abandon these discourses, by means of this so-called
      discourse ethics outlined on the page noted above.
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      CASE STUDY #1:
      ONTOLOGICALETHICS
      This thread began with a disagreement between myself
      and an academic theologian. The initial issue was
      about transcendence. He took a Bailtaille stance. My
      perspective was more Jungian. That's when our
      communication breakdown started. In response I wrote a
      poetic account of 'The Problematic'. Immediately
      following, a colleague of his suddenly entered the
      discussion with her own P!R%OB^L*EMaT*iC (or something
      like that), at the very same time the theologian was
      congratulating me on my poem, rather condescending and
      facetiously I may add. So I told them both what I
      thought and that's when he said, "Do yourself a favor
      and stay away from any conferences where I'm speaking,
      or I may just lose my Christian composure and tarnish
      my record by whooping your ass in front of my academic
      peers. Now shut up and go back to the hippy commune
      whence you came from, you f___!":
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/63
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      CASE STUDY #2:
      HABERMAS@... IS NOT A NEWSLETTER DISTRIBUTION CHANNEL
      What happened in this thread is that the moderator of
      a discussion group called Habermas@..., having just
      last week received THE TIMES (V1#6) for the first
      time, wrote to me explaining that although my
      newsletter was appropriate for the list he would now
      delete it due to his own stated reasons. I wrote back
      to him because of this, telling him he sounded more
      like a fascist than a communicationalist socialist,
      and that I would delete his group from my list --
      seeing that there was hardly any activity in it
      anyway. The moderator then kindly informed me that it
      wasn't busy because he spends most of his time with a
      more advanced Habermas list. I asked him, then, if he
      was trying to make amends, why didn't he include the
      advanced Habermas address in his letter. To date,
      however, I have yet to hear back from him. Instead, I
      learned that my membership, without me ever officially
      entering a request to unsubsribe, was lifted
      unbeknownst to me:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/64
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      IN RETROSPECT: K is for KOMPRESSOR
      Now if this newsletter has left you a little
      alienated, as I imagine it always does some, then
      perhaps its time to extrapolate some discourse ethics
      with a lot of K . If ever there could be such a
      feeling as a Heideggerian-Kafkaesque-Bauhous musical
      interlude, KOMPRESSOR seems to come pretty close to
      creating something to that effect. I recommend these
      two head-KOMPRESSORs with a heavy jolt of caffeine for
      starters:
      1) K Is For KOMPRESSOR:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/60
      2) KOMPRESSOR Want To Get With You:
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/61
      And if you still crave more try visiting this expanded
      KOMPRESSOR Music List and Website:
      -http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheExistentialTimes/message/62
      While there be sure to give 'Midnight Rendezvous' a
      go.
      "KOMPRESSOR is Andreas K, currently living in the
      state of ohio, united states, originally came from
      brenan, germany, KOMPRESSOR sound is hard and angry,
      good words used for song and electronic music, provide
      all power of CRUSH and FEAR"
      ___________________________________________________

      Copyright: 2002 Lewis Vella

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