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      > 1. Hello everyone...
      > From: "Christopher Wyatt"
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      > From: "Charles Vermont"
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      > 3. Existentialism and the necessity of God...
      > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > 4. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: Beth302002@...
      > 5. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: "The Sierants"
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      > 6. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: "The Sierants"
      > <sierant@...>
      > 7. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: Beth302002@...
      > 8. the necessity of religion...
      > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > 9. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
      > 10. Re: the necessity of religion...
      > From: "Yana Youhana"
      > <yana_youhana@...>
      > 11. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: "Yana Youhana"
      > <yana_youhana@...>
      > 12. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
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      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:17:59 -0000
      > From: "Christopher Wyatt" <existlist1@...>
      > Subject: Hello everyone...
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      > We need to bring this group back to life!!!
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      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:35:57 +0100
      > From: "Charles Vermont"
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      > Subject: Hello Everyone
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      > Christopher, I don't know about you but I wonder
      > whether most people have migrated to the
      > Sartre@egroups list where we seem to be going great
      > guns at the moment
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      > Charles Vermont
      > london.uk
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      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:02:00 EDT
      > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > Subject: Existentialism and the necessity of God...
      >
      > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion is
      > actually a necessity at
      > this point in human evolution...opinions?
      > -Jason
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      > Message: 4
      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:31:05 EDT
      > From: Beth302002@...
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:03:39 PM Eastern
      > Daylight Time,
      > cyberg0th@... writes:
      >
      > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion
      > is actually a necessity
      > at
      > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
      > > -Jason
      >
      > We seem to be letting it go. don't we? Church
      > attendance is getting smaller
      > and smaller. Children are not being taught the the
      > rudimentary ideas of God
      > and Jesus and faith. Human
      > evolution.....hmmmmm....I would say it is not a
      > necessity.
      >
      > I have questions. What has replaced God in our
      > lives? Why is religion no
      > longer a necessity? What is going to happen to
      > those of us to whom it is not
      > a necessity any more? Do we stop evolving? Do we
      > evolve higher by taking
      > responsibility for our own growth, ideas, feelings,
      > what we give back to
      > society without the restrictions of the church and
      > the idea of right and
      > wrong? Is it us now, and not God? Is God each one
      > of us...and I don't mean
      > IN each one of us, I mean is each one of us God?
      > Good topic Jason.
      >
      > Just an opinion.
      >
      > Beth
      >
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      > Message: 5
      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:41:25 -0500
      > From: "The Sierants" <sierant@...>
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > Dear Ray:
      >
      > Please clarify what you mean by the necessity of
      > religion. Do you mean the
      > belief in a god, or in organized religion? Some
      > would argue that our belief
      > in science has become a religion. My opinion is
      > that there is a need for
      > religion, but on a more personal and individual
      > level. On a lighter note,
      > my relationship with my God is a dysfunctional one,
      > based on love and
      > respect...we just argue all the time.
      >
      > --Peter Sierant
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      > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > To: <existlist@egroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:02 PM
      > Subject: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      >
      >
      > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion
      > is actually a necessity
      > at
      > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
      > > -Jason
      > >
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      > Message: 6
      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:45:36 -0500
      > From: "The Sierants" <sierant@...>
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > Another thought about religion...
      > If not religion, then what basis is there for ethics
      > and morality of any
      > kind? Who would teach this morality? What would it
      > be based on? Many
      > believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
      > individual needs without
      > conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
      > extreme selfishness in my
      > opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
      > be wrong at the same
      > time. So there is a foundation for religion to help
      > teach the less
      > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
      > value of good and evil,
      > right and wrong.
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <Beth302002@...>
      > To: <existlist@egroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:31 PM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      >
      >
      > > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:03:39 PM Eastern
      > Daylight Time,
      > > cyberg0th@... writes:
      > >
      > > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether
      > religion is actually a
      > necessity
      > > at
      > > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
      > > > -Jason
      > >
      > > We seem to be letting it go. don't we? Church
      > attendance is getting
      > smaller
      > > and smaller. Children are not being taught the
      > the rudimentary ideas of
      > God
      > > and Jesus and faith. Human
      > evolution.....hmmmmm....I would say it is not
      > a
      > > necessity.
      > >
      > > I have questions. What has replaced God in our
      > lives? Why is religion no
      > > longer a necessity? What is going to happen to
      > those of us to whom it is
      > not
      > > a necessity any more? Do we stop evolving? Do we
      > evolve higher by taking
      > > responsibility for our own growth, ideas,
      > feelings, what we give back to
      > > society without the restrictions of the church and
      > the idea of right and
      > > wrong? Is it us now, and not God? Is God each
      > one of us...and I don't
      > mean
      > > IN each one of us, I mean is each one of us God?
      > Good topic Jason.
      > >
      > > Just an opinion.
      > >
      > > Beth
      > >
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      > Message: 7
      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:53:25 EDT
      > From: Beth302002@...
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:40:05 PM Eastern
      > Daylight Time,
      > sierant@... writes:
      >
      > > So there is a foundation for religion to help
      > teach the less
      > > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
      > value of good and evil,
      > > right and wrong.
      > >
      > I agree, but is religion doing that now? It's a
      > case of preaching to the
      > choir. Those that go to church don't need the
      > teaching because it is already
      > part of their lives. The people who need the
      > teaching...the children who
      > need something rock solid in their fragmented lives,
      > are not being reached.
      > Jesus or Bugs Bunny...If you were 6,7,8 which would
      > you pick?
      >
      > You have to know about something in order to take
      > advantage of it, and too
      > few churches are reaching out to the community. I
      > know of two where I live,
      > and I am proud of them, but I live in a big
      > city...only two? It also
      > snowballs...if your parents did not go to church, or
      > at least did not send
      > you to Sunday school, how can you teach your
      > children anything?
      >
      > My basis for opinions here is that I am a preacher's
      > daughter, and I was for
      > several years, from age 16 to 26, a church
      > organist. The people are not
      > reaching out to the church for teaching about God,
      > and the church is not
      > reaching the people. The last church that I played
      > in, sent out 8,000
      > pamphlets, followed up by phone calls and visits,
      > inviting people in the
      > surrounding neighborhoods to come to church. Only 2
      > out of 8,000 responded.
      > My vote is still that organized religion is
      > perceived to be not needed
      > anymore, morals are breaking down, christian
      > education is not getting where
      > it needs to get.
      >
      > I have been on this tirade for months now, I guess
      > since the times of the
      > first school shootings. Intellectually or not,
      > existentially or not,
      > religiously or not, we are not caring for our
      > childrens souls. And it is
      > going to bite us some day soon, worse than it
      > already has.
      >
      > And I want to say that I am very aware of the
      > parents that care, and try, and
      > teach, and love. I just wish there were more of
      > you. Thanks for my turn on
      > the soapbox...shutting up now to listen to others.
      > :o)
      >
      > Beth
      >
      >
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      > Message: 8
      > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:31:17 EDT
      > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > Subject: the necessity of religion...
      >
      > If human beings are incapable of discerning between
      > right and wrong without
      > the instruction of a religious deity, what does that
      > say about the state of
      > affairs in today's society? I think teaching
      > morality does not mean
      > teaching religion. Human beings, as an intelligent
      > species, are capable of
      > distinguishing right from wrong. Those that do
      > wrong almost always choose
      > to do wrong. However, what is wrong? I could say
      > that sleeping with
      > someone merely to pleasure myself and the other
      > person is fine because no
      > one gets hurt and both people enjoy it, but it is
      > wrong according to most
      > religions. So, morality, not ethics, are not
      > influenced by natural human
      > behavior, but rather the prevalent religion in the
      > area. Therefore, good
      > and bad are merely a reflection of the religious
      > beliefs of the person
      > discerning between the two. So, if someone is
      > capable of discerning between
      > right and wrong on their own, and they lead an
      > essentialy good life, is God
      > (assuming there is a God, I'm agnostic) necessary in
      > the daily life of this
      > person? I would think not as religion teaches
      > values and morality and if
      > someone already posesses these then religion is not
      > necessary, making God
      > not necessary...comments and complaints accepted!
      > -Jason
      >
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      > Message: 9
      > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
      > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > You should live your life the way that you want
      > others
      > to live. If your opinions are right, people should
      > be
      > drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
      > "should" or "ought" to do or think something. To me
      > morality and ethics are a way for society to say you
      > "should" do this, but you "shouldn't" do that.
      >
      > The ideas of morality and ethics need to be
      > demystified. A group of individuals came up with
      > our
      > current morality, therefore it has no more meaning
      > than an opinion.
      >
      > One point you mentioned was that religion may be
      > needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
      > to
      > the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant masses
      > should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
      > on
      > right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
      > uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
      > right
      > and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
      > society,
      > government, and religion, and you will have a new
      > species of man able to decide what is "right" for
      > himself, and what is "wrong."
      >
      > You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
      > a
      > child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
      > marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
      > etc...
      > Once I realized that the sources of my information
      > were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
      > society without gods, religions, and governments as
      > a
      > society with man thinking for himself.
      >
      > I'm done rambling,
      > Jared
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: The Sierants <sierant@...>
      > To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
      > Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:41 PM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      >
      >
      > Another thought about religion...
      > If not religion, then what basis is there for ethics
      > and morality of any
      > kind? Who would teach this morality? What would it
      > be based on? Many
      > believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
      > individual needs without
      > conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
      > extreme
      > selfishness in my
      > opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
      > be
      > wrong at the same
      > time. So there is a foundation for religion to help
      > teach the less
      > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
      > value of good and evil,
      > right and wrong.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 10
      > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:09:21 GMT
      > From: "Yana Youhana" <yana_youhana@...>
      > Subject: Re: the necessity of religion...
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
      > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >Subject: [existlist] the necessity of religion...
      > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:31:17 EDT
      > >
      > >Human beings, as an intelligent species,
      > Who said we were intelligent species?
      > have you asked the monkey?!!!
      > we have created goodness and evil for our own
      > advantage, we have justified every little thing
      > just to survive from our fear.
      >
      > And then we made jesues
      > committ suiecid (sp?) and continue screw everything
      > around us, because hey, he died for our sins!!!!
      > hummm
      >
      > And then came, Marx, boy what a giunes, he said,
      > workers wake up, don't wait for your jesus, he will
      > not help you, one for all, and all for one, and
      > every1 listend, and after a while not only one but
      > ALL were starving!
      >
      > (meanwhile Frued was busy with his own experiments
      > :))))
      > (I think he's the only one who realy enjoyed life!)
      >
      > And then some guy came around and said, I am sitting
      > on the
      > chair but I am not sure if the chair exist and then
      > existentialist
      > was born! waaaaa!!!! and for a while some lived on
      > only
      > cigarett and turkish coffee, and soon they died
      > too!!!
      >
      > And here I'm sitting around and thinking....the
      > gravity is
      > at work.
      >
      > love, peace and harmony,
      > yana
      >
      > are capable of
      > >distinguishing right from wrong. Those that do
      > wrong almost always choose
      > >to do wrong. However, what is wrong? I could say
      > that sleeping with
      > >someone merely to pleasure myself and the other
      > person is fine because no
      > >one gets hurt and both people enjoy it, but it is
      > wrong according to most
      > >religions. So, morality, not ethics, are not
      > influenced by natural human
      > >behavior, but rather the prevalent religion in the
      > area. Therefore, good
      > >and bad are merely a reflection of the religious
      > beliefs of the person
      > >discerning between the two. So, if someone is
      > capable of discerning
      > >between
      > >right and wrong on their own, and they lead an
      > essentialy good life, is God
      > >(assuming there is a God, I'm agnostic) necessary
      > in the daily life of this
      > >person? I would think not as religion teaches
      > values and morality and if
      > >someone already posesses these then religion is not
      > necessary, making God
      > >not necessary...comments and complaints accepted!
      > > -Jason
      >
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      > Message: 11
      > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:18:55 GMT
      > From: "Yana Youhana" <yana_youhana@...>
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
      > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
      > >
      > >You should live your life the way that you want
      > others
      > >to live.
      > Question: What do you mean by the above statement?
      > This is a world of acheivments, (dogy dog world), if
      > one wants to live his/her life the way she/he wanted
      > to
      > live, they would be loosers!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > If your opinions are right, people should be
      > >drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
      > >"should" or "ought" to do or think something.
      > I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
      > , SF or NY?
      >
      > >
      > >One point you mentioned was that religion may be
      > >needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
      > to
      > >the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant
      > masses
      > >should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
      > on
      > >right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
      > >uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
      > right
      > >and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
      > society,
      > >government, and religion, and you will have a new
      > >species of man able to decide what is "right" for
      > >himself, and what is "wrong."
      > That sounds better.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >
      > >You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
      > a
      > >child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
      > >marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
      > etc...
      > > Once I realized that the sources of my
      > information
      > >were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
      > >society without gods, religions, and governments as
      > a
      > >society with man thinking for himself.
      > >
      > >I'm done rambling,
      > >Jared
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >-----Original Message-----
      > >From: The Sierants <sierant@...>
      > >To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
      > >Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:41 PM
      > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > >necessity of God...
      > >
      > >
      > >Another thought about religion...
      > >If not religion, then what basis is there for
      > ethics
      > >and morality of any
      > >kind? Who would teach this morality? What would
      > it
      > >be based on? Many
      > >believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
      > >individual needs without
      > >conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
      > extreme
      > >selfishness in my
      > >opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
      > be
      > >wrong at the same
      > >time. So there is a foundation for religion to
      > help
      > >teach the less
      > >cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
      > >value of good and evil,
      > >right and wrong.
      > >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 12
      > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
      > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
      > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
      > God...
      >
      > I'm not sure I could handle others thinking I am a
      > "looser." :-) That is part of the problem: people
      > should not worry about what other people are doing,
      > or
      > what other people will think. Success and failure,
      > like good and evil, are terms for the individual to
      > define. What I consider good may not be your idea
      > of
      > good, and what I consider to be an achievment may
      > not
      > be your idea of an achievment.
      >
      > I can't help it, I have to quote Thoreau: "Why
      > should
      > we be in such desperate haste to succeed, and in
      > such
      > desperate enterprises? If a man does not keep pace
      > with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears
      > a
      > different drummer. Let him step to the music which
      > he
      > hears, however measured or far away."
      >
      > >I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
      > >, SF or NY?
      > Actually, I live in the Bible Belt: Oklahoma to be
      > exact.
      >
      > Regard,
      > Jared
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----Original Message-----
      > From: Yana Youhana <yana_youhana@...>
      > To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
      > Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:20 AM
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      >
      >
      > >From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
      > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >To: existlist@egroups.com
      > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
      > necessity of God...
      > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
      > >
      > >You should live your life the way that you want
      > others
      > >to live.
      > Question: What do you mean by the above statement?
      > This is a world of acheivments, (dogy dog world), if
      > one wants to live his/her life the way she/he wanted
      > to
      > live, they would be loosers!!!!
      > If your opinions are right, people should be
      > >drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
      > >"should" or "ought" to do or think something.
      > I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
      > , SF or NY?
      >
      > >
      > >One point you mentioned was that religion may be
      > >needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
      > to
      > >the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant
      > masses
      > >should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
      > on
      > >right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
      > >uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
      > right
      > >and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
      > society,
      > >government, and religion, and you will have a new
      > >species of man able to decide what is "right" for
      > >himself, and what is "wrong."
      > That sounds better.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >
      > >You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
      > a
      > >child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
      > >marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
      > etc...
      > > Once I realized that the sources of my
      > information
      > >were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
      > >society without gods, religions, and governments as
      > a
      > >society with man thinking for himself.
      > >
      > >I'm done rambling,
      > >Jared
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      > =====
      > Best wishes,
      > Frailey
      >
      >
      > ----------------------
      > Revering the universe, caring for nature,
      > celebrating life -
      > The World Pantheist Movement:
      > http://www.pantheism.net/index.htm
      >
      >
      >
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        > 1. Toys?
        > From: "Eean Ess" <eeaness@...>
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        > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:25:33 -0000
        > From: "Eean Ess" <eeaness@...>
        > Subject: Toys?
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        > Thank you for explaining your intriguing signature
        > Dennis...a car bod...for
        > me it's motorcycles: a Yamaha Thundercat to be
        > precise.
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        > My significant other half says that the male of the
        > species stops developing
        > at 12, but their toys get more expensive!
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        > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:30:55 -0000
        > From: "Eean Ess" <eeaness@...>
        > Subject: About Toys?
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        > Sorry for the mis-posting.
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        > This is a fascination group. I've only just started
        > looking onto
        > existenialism; I've read "The Stranger" so far. Any
        > suggestions as to what
        > to read next?
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