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      Message 2 of 8 , Jul 18, 2000
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        > 1. Hello everyone...
        > From: "Christopher Wyatt"
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        > 2. Hello Everyone
        > From: "Charles Vermont"
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        > 3. Existentialism and the necessity of God...
        > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > 4. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: Beth302002@...
        > 5. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: "The Sierants"
        > <sierant@...>
        > 6. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: "The Sierants"
        > <sierant@...>
        > 7. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: Beth302002@...
        > 8. the necessity of religion...
        > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > 9. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
        > 10. Re: the necessity of religion...
        > From: "Yana Youhana"
        > <yana_youhana@...>
        > 11. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: "Yana Youhana"
        > <yana_youhana@...>
        > 12. Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
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        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:17:59 -0000
        > From: "Christopher Wyatt" <existlist1@...>
        > Subject: Hello everyone...
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        > We need to bring this group back to life!!!
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        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:35:57 +0100
        > From: "Charles Vermont"
        > <Funchoice@...>
        > Subject: Hello Everyone
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        > Christopher, I don't know about you but I wonder
        > whether most people have migrated to the
        > Sartre@egroups list where we seem to be going great
        > guns at the moment
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        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:02:00 EDT
        > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > Subject: Existentialism and the necessity of God...
        >
        > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion is
        > actually a necessity at
        > this point in human evolution...opinions?
        > -Jason
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        > Message: 4
        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:31:05 EDT
        > From: Beth302002@...
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:03:39 PM Eastern
        > Daylight Time,
        > cyberg0th@... writes:
        >
        > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion
        > is actually a necessity
        > at
        > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
        > > -Jason
        >
        > We seem to be letting it go. don't we? Church
        > attendance is getting smaller
        > and smaller. Children are not being taught the the
        > rudimentary ideas of God
        > and Jesus and faith. Human
        > evolution.....hmmmmm....I would say it is not a
        > necessity.
        >
        > I have questions. What has replaced God in our
        > lives? Why is religion no
        > longer a necessity? What is going to happen to
        > those of us to whom it is not
        > a necessity any more? Do we stop evolving? Do we
        > evolve higher by taking
        > responsibility for our own growth, ideas, feelings,
        > what we give back to
        > society without the restrictions of the church and
        > the idea of right and
        > wrong? Is it us now, and not God? Is God each one
        > of us...and I don't mean
        > IN each one of us, I mean is each one of us God?
        > Good topic Jason.
        >
        > Just an opinion.
        >
        > Beth
        >
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        > Message: 5
        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:41:25 -0500
        > From: "The Sierants" <sierant@...>
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > Dear Ray:
        >
        > Please clarify what you mean by the necessity of
        > religion. Do you mean the
        > belief in a god, or in organized religion? Some
        > would argue that our belief
        > in science has become a religion. My opinion is
        > that there is a need for
        > religion, but on a more personal and individual
        > level. On a lighter note,
        > my relationship with my God is a dysfunctional one,
        > based on love and
        > respect...we just argue all the time.
        >
        > --Peter Sierant
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > To: <existlist@egroups.com>
        > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:02 PM
        > Subject: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        >
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        > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether religion
        > is actually a necessity
        > at
        > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
        > > -Jason
        > >
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        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:45:36 -0500
        > From: "The Sierants" <sierant@...>
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > Another thought about religion...
        > If not religion, then what basis is there for ethics
        > and morality of any
        > kind? Who would teach this morality? What would it
        > be based on? Many
        > believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
        > individual needs without
        > conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
        > extreme selfishness in my
        > opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
        > be wrong at the same
        > time. So there is a foundation for religion to help
        > teach the less
        > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
        > value of good and evil,
        > right and wrong.
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: <Beth302002@...>
        > To: <existlist@egroups.com>
        > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:31 PM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        >
        >
        > > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:03:39 PM Eastern
        > Daylight Time,
        > > cyberg0th@... writes:
        > >
        > > > I'd like to start a debate as to whether
        > religion is actually a
        > necessity
        > > at
        > > > this point in human evolution...opinions?
        > > > -Jason
        > >
        > > We seem to be letting it go. don't we? Church
        > attendance is getting
        > smaller
        > > and smaller. Children are not being taught the
        > the rudimentary ideas of
        > God
        > > and Jesus and faith. Human
        > evolution.....hmmmmm....I would say it is not
        > a
        > > necessity.
        > >
        > > I have questions. What has replaced God in our
        > lives? Why is religion no
        > > longer a necessity? What is going to happen to
        > those of us to whom it is
        > not
        > > a necessity any more? Do we stop evolving? Do we
        > evolve higher by taking
        > > responsibility for our own growth, ideas,
        > feelings, what we give back to
        > > society without the restrictions of the church and
        > the idea of right and
        > > wrong? Is it us now, and not God? Is God each
        > one of us...and I don't
        > mean
        > > IN each one of us, I mean is each one of us God?
        > Good topic Jason.
        > >
        > > Just an opinion.
        > >
        > > Beth
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        > Message: 7
        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:53:25 EDT
        > From: Beth302002@...
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:40:05 PM Eastern
        > Daylight Time,
        > sierant@... writes:
        >
        > > So there is a foundation for religion to help
        > teach the less
        > > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
        > value of good and evil,
        > > right and wrong.
        > >
        > I agree, but is religion doing that now? It's a
        > case of preaching to the
        > choir. Those that go to church don't need the
        > teaching because it is already
        > part of their lives. The people who need the
        > teaching...the children who
        > need something rock solid in their fragmented lives,
        > are not being reached.
        > Jesus or Bugs Bunny...If you were 6,7,8 which would
        > you pick?
        >
        > You have to know about something in order to take
        > advantage of it, and too
        > few churches are reaching out to the community. I
        > know of two where I live,
        > and I am proud of them, but I live in a big
        > city...only two? It also
        > snowballs...if your parents did not go to church, or
        > at least did not send
        > you to Sunday school, how can you teach your
        > children anything?
        >
        > My basis for opinions here is that I am a preacher's
        > daughter, and I was for
        > several years, from age 16 to 26, a church
        > organist. The people are not
        > reaching out to the church for teaching about God,
        > and the church is not
        > reaching the people. The last church that I played
        > in, sent out 8,000
        > pamphlets, followed up by phone calls and visits,
        > inviting people in the
        > surrounding neighborhoods to come to church. Only 2
        > out of 8,000 responded.
        > My vote is still that organized religion is
        > perceived to be not needed
        > anymore, morals are breaking down, christian
        > education is not getting where
        > it needs to get.
        >
        > I have been on this tirade for months now, I guess
        > since the times of the
        > first school shootings. Intellectually or not,
        > existentially or not,
        > religiously or not, we are not caring for our
        > childrens souls. And it is
        > going to bite us some day soon, worse than it
        > already has.
        >
        > And I want to say that I am very aware of the
        > parents that care, and try, and
        > teach, and love. I just wish there were more of
        > you. Thanks for my turn on
        > the soapbox...shutting up now to listen to others.
        > :o)
        >
        > Beth
        >
        >
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        > Message: 8
        > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:31:17 EDT
        > From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > Subject: the necessity of religion...
        >
        > If human beings are incapable of discerning between
        > right and wrong without
        > the instruction of a religious deity, what does that
        > say about the state of
        > affairs in today's society? I think teaching
        > morality does not mean
        > teaching religion. Human beings, as an intelligent
        > species, are capable of
        > distinguishing right from wrong. Those that do
        > wrong almost always choose
        > to do wrong. However, what is wrong? I could say
        > that sleeping with
        > someone merely to pleasure myself and the other
        > person is fine because no
        > one gets hurt and both people enjoy it, but it is
        > wrong according to most
        > religions. So, morality, not ethics, are not
        > influenced by natural human
        > behavior, but rather the prevalent religion in the
        > area. Therefore, good
        > and bad are merely a reflection of the religious
        > beliefs of the person
        > discerning between the two. So, if someone is
        > capable of discerning between
        > right and wrong on their own, and they lead an
        > essentialy good life, is God
        > (assuming there is a God, I'm agnostic) necessary in
        > the daily life of this
        > person? I would think not as religion teaches
        > values and morality and if
        > someone already posesses these then religion is not
        > necessary, making God
        > not necessary...comments and complaints accepted!
        > -Jason
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        > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
        > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > You should live your life the way that you want
        > others
        > to live. If your opinions are right, people should
        > be
        > drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
        > "should" or "ought" to do or think something. To me
        > morality and ethics are a way for society to say you
        > "should" do this, but you "shouldn't" do that.
        >
        > The ideas of morality and ethics need to be
        > demystified. A group of individuals came up with
        > our
        > current morality, therefore it has no more meaning
        > than an opinion.
        >
        > One point you mentioned was that religion may be
        > needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
        > to
        > the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant masses
        > should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
        > on
        > right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
        > uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
        > right
        > and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
        > society,
        > government, and religion, and you will have a new
        > species of man able to decide what is "right" for
        > himself, and what is "wrong."
        >
        > You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
        > a
        > child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
        > marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
        > etc...
        > Once I realized that the sources of my information
        > were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
        > society without gods, religions, and governments as
        > a
        > society with man thinking for himself.
        >
        > I'm done rambling,
        > Jared
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: The Sierants <sierant@...>
        > To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
        > Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:41 PM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        >
        >
        > Another thought about religion...
        > If not religion, then what basis is there for ethics
        > and morality of any
        > kind? Who would teach this morality? What would it
        > be based on? Many
        > believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
        > individual needs without
        > conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
        > extreme
        > selfishness in my
        > opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
        > be
        > wrong at the same
        > time. So there is a foundation for religion to help
        > teach the less
        > cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
        > value of good and evil,
        > right and wrong.
        >
        >
        >
        >
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        > Message: 10
        > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:09:21 GMT
        > From: "Yana Youhana" <yana_youhana@...>
        > Subject: Re: the necessity of religion...
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >From: "Ray Zur" <cyberg0th@...>
        > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >Subject: [existlist] the necessity of religion...
        > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:31:17 EDT
        > >
        > >Human beings, as an intelligent species,
        > Who said we were intelligent species?
        > have you asked the monkey?!!!
        > we have created goodness and evil for our own
        > advantage, we have justified every little thing
        > just to survive from our fear.
        >
        > And then we made jesues
        > committ suiecid (sp?) and continue screw everything
        > around us, because hey, he died for our sins!!!!
        > hummm
        >
        > And then came, Marx, boy what a giunes, he said,
        > workers wake up, don't wait for your jesus, he will
        > not help you, one for all, and all for one, and
        > every1 listend, and after a while not only one but
        > ALL were starving!
        >
        > (meanwhile Frued was busy with his own experiments
        > :))))
        > (I think he's the only one who realy enjoyed life!)
        >
        > And then some guy came around and said, I am sitting
        > on the
        > chair but I am not sure if the chair exist and then
        > existentialist
        > was born! waaaaa!!!! and for a while some lived on
        > only
        > cigarett and turkish coffee, and soon they died
        > too!!!
        >
        > And here I'm sitting around and thinking....the
        > gravity is
        > at work.
        >
        > love, peace and harmony,
        > yana
        >
        > are capable of
        > >distinguishing right from wrong. Those that do
        > wrong almost always choose
        > >to do wrong. However, what is wrong? I could say
        > that sleeping with
        > >someone merely to pleasure myself and the other
        > person is fine because no
        > >one gets hurt and both people enjoy it, but it is
        > wrong according to most
        > >religions. So, morality, not ethics, are not
        > influenced by natural human
        > >behavior, but rather the prevalent religion in the
        > area. Therefore, good
        > >and bad are merely a reflection of the religious
        > beliefs of the person
        > >discerning between the two. So, if someone is
        > capable of discerning
        > >between
        > >right and wrong on their own, and they lead an
        > essentialy good life, is God
        > >(assuming there is a God, I'm agnostic) necessary
        > in the daily life of this
        > >person? I would think not as religion teaches
        > values and morality and if
        > >someone already posesses these then religion is not
        > necessary, making God
        > >not necessary...comments and complaints accepted!
        > > -Jason
        >
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        > Message: 11
        > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:18:55 GMT
        > From: "Yana Youhana" <yana_youhana@...>
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
        > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
        > >
        > >You should live your life the way that you want
        > others
        > >to live.
        > Question: What do you mean by the above statement?
        > This is a world of acheivments, (dogy dog world), if
        > one wants to live his/her life the way she/he wanted
        > to
        > live, they would be loosers!!!!
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > If your opinions are right, people should be
        > >drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
        > >"should" or "ought" to do or think something.
        > I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
        > , SF or NY?
        >
        > >
        > >One point you mentioned was that religion may be
        > >needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
        > to
        > >the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant
        > masses
        > >should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
        > on
        > >right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
        > >uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
        > right
        > >and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
        > society,
        > >government, and religion, and you will have a new
        > >species of man able to decide what is "right" for
        > >himself, and what is "wrong."
        > That sounds better.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >
        > >You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
        > a
        > >child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
        > >marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
        > etc...
        > > Once I realized that the sources of my
        > information
        > >were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
        > >society without gods, religions, and governments as
        > a
        > >society with man thinking for himself.
        > >
        > >I'm done rambling,
        > >Jared
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >-----Original Message-----
        > >From: The Sierants <sierant@...>
        > >To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
        > >Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:41 PM
        > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > >necessity of God...
        > >
        > >
        > >Another thought about religion...
        > >If not religion, then what basis is there for
        > ethics
        > >and morality of any
        > >kind? Who would teach this morality? What would
        > it
        > >be based on? Many
        > >believe now in total hedonism, in satisfying the
        > >individual needs without
        > >conscience. This will only lead to chaos and
        > extreme
        > >selfishness in my
        > >opinion, where everyone is right and everyone would
        > be
        > >wrong at the same
        > >time. So there is a foundation for religion to
        > help
        > >teach the less
        > >cereberal or unstructured or uneducated about the
        > >value of good and evil,
        > >right and wrong.
        > >
        >
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        > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
        > From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
        > Subject: Re: Existentialism and the necessity of
        > God...
        >
        > I'm not sure I could handle others thinking I am a
        > "looser." :-) That is part of the problem: people
        > should not worry about what other people are doing,
        > or
        > what other people will think. Success and failure,
        > like good and evil, are terms for the individual to
        > define. What I consider good may not be your idea
        > of
        > good, and what I consider to be an achievment may
        > not
        > be your idea of an achievment.
        >
        > I can't help it, I have to quote Thoreau: "Why
        > should
        > we be in such desperate haste to succeed, and in
        > such
        > desperate enterprises? If a man does not keep pace
        > with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears
        > a
        > different drummer. Let him step to the music which
        > he
        > hears, however measured or far away."
        >
        > >I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
        > >, SF or NY?
        > Actually, I live in the Bible Belt: Oklahoma to be
        > exact.
        >
        > Regard,
        > Jared
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ----Original Message-----
        > From: Yana Youhana <yana_youhana@...>
        > To: existlist@egroups.com <existlist@egroups.com>
        > Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:20 AM
        > Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        >
        >
        > >From: Jared Frailey <lostmaia@...>
        > >Reply-To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >To: existlist@egroups.com
        > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Existentialism and the
        > necessity of God...
        > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
        > >
        > >You should live your life the way that you want
        > others
        > >to live.
        > Question: What do you mean by the above statement?
        > This is a world of acheivments, (dogy dog world), if
        > one wants to live his/her life the way she/he wanted
        > to
        > live, they would be loosers!!!!
        > If your opinions are right, people should be
        > >drawn to them on their merits, and not because they
        > >"should" or "ought" to do or think something.
        > I don't think you live anywhere near Silicon Valley
        > , SF or NY?
        >
        > >
        > >One point you mentioned was that religion may be
        > >needed to teach good and evil, or right and wrong,
        > to
        > >the uneducated. In other words, the ignorant
        > masses
        > >should be subjected to a group of individuals ideas
        > on
        > >right and wrong? If left to their own devices, the
        > >uneducated would most likely develop a sense of
        > right
        > >and wrong. Remove the brainwashing of man by
        > society,
        > >government, and religion, and you will have a new
        > >species of man able to decide what is "right" for
        > >himself, and what is "wrong."
        > That sounds better.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >
        > >You may laugh at the notion of brainwashing, but as
        > a
        > >child I never questioned the ideas of patriotism,
        > >marriage, government, capitalism, war, prisons,
        > etc...
        > > Once I realized that the sources of my
        > information
        > >were biased, I developed my open opinions. I see a
        > >society without gods, religions, and governments as
        > a
        > >society with man thinking for himself.
        > >
        > >I'm done rambling,
        > >Jared
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        > =====
        > Best wishes,
        > Frailey
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          > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:25:33 -0000
          > From: "Eean Ess" <eeaness@...>
          > Subject: Toys?
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          > Thank you for explaining your intriguing signature
          > Dennis...a car bod...for
          > me it's motorcycles: a Yamaha Thundercat to be
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          > My significant other half says that the male of the
          > species stops developing
          > at 12, but their toys get more expensive!
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          > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:30:55 -0000
          > From: "Eean Ess" <eeaness@...>
          > Subject: About Toys?
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          > Sorry for the mis-posting.
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          > This is a fascination group. I've only just started
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