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  • existlist
    I can t say I totally understand this topic but I still find it interesting and I also hope it continues. h.
    Message 1 of 77 , Mar 20 6:23 PM
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      I can't say I totally understand this topic but I still find it interesting and I also hope it continues.

      h.

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
      >
      > All,
      >
      > I have been very busy over the last couple of days, so I am still struggling to get up to speed on the recent three-way discussion between Wil, H and Mary about Nothing.
      >
      > Like Mary and H, I am keen to hear Wil say a bit more (when he has the opportunity) about the issue he raised here:
      >
      > << 2) I rehearse the ontic/ontological problem that is chronic in Krauss' recent book (which I otherwise like), how he gets the philosophical question of Nothing wrong, and thereby misses what the philosophical urgency of the question is. >>
      >
      > I must admit I have always found the topic of Nothing particularly difficult and perplexing.
      >
      > I am reasonably clear (I think) on Heidegger's distinction between the ontic and the ontological. Am I right to interpret Wil as implying that scientism makes the mistake of putting science at the ontological level, whereas really it is correctly situated at the ontic level?
      >
      > Krauss's mistake about Nothing seems to be the reverse of this. For Wil, Nothing is at the ontological level, but Krauss treats it at the ontical level.
      >
      > Mary and Wil then focussed on Hegel's discussion of the contrast between Being and Nothing, which seems to conclude that ultimately Being and Nothing are the same.
      >
      > But, this raises a question in my mind: Isn't this Hegelian conclusion very different from what Heidegger had to say about Being? I thought for Heidegger Being was a substantial reality in the world and not equivalent to Nothing.
      >
      > Jim
      >
    • wsindarius
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/wil_sinda/8751648669/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/wil_sinda/8752770770/in/photostream ... From: hermit crab
      Message 77 of 77 , May 18, 2013
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        -----Original Message-----
        From: hermit crab <hermitcrab65@...>
        To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sat, May 18, 2013 7:23 pm
        Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Building a better nothing (Wil sees Krauss)






        Very interesting, Wil. I kept wondering how it went. Good thing he didn't
        start spouting off about philosophers, eh? :-D Thank you for the update.
        The first link worked but the second one did not.

        h.

        On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM, <eupraxis@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Hello H,
        >
        > Yes, sorry for my silence. The Krauss talk was nearly identical to others
        > of recent vintage that you can see on YouTube, but he did lay off
        > philosophy a bit and concentrate his sarcasm on Republicans, the South (I
        > am in New Orleans) and string theorists. I got some nice photos of him and
        > said hello (I was part of an invited group, NOSHA). He was pleasant, in
        > that almost-smug way.
        >
        > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wil_sinda/8669528519/in/photostream
        >
        >
        > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152796725025424&set=a.10152392005530424.946669.654825423&type=3&theater
        >
        > Wil
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: existlist <hermitcrab65@...>
        > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Sat, May 18, 2013 9:04 am
        > Subject: [existlist] Re: Building a better nothing (Wil sees Krauss)
        >
        > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
        > > Response: As I said, I like Krauss' book and I like him, especially his
        > talks. In fact, he will be here in a few weeks to discuss this very book,
        > and I will be present. My problem with his statements has nothing to do
        > with his manner of doing science; it has to do with his unfortunate
        > dismissal of philosophy and his misunderstanding of ontology.
        >
        > ===Wil,
        > I have been waiting patiently to hear how this meetup went.
        > Please report. :)
        >
        > h.
        >
        >

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