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Re: [greenlogic] Re: [Wisdom-l] Re: [TheBecoming] Fw: The soul,re;latest missive. / Concept of Physical Life

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  • devindersingh gulati
    * Several different theories may offer equally plausible accounts of the same situation * Scientific theories are undetermined by experience * There are
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 14, 2013
      * Several different theories may offer equally plausible accounts of the same situation
      * Scientific theories are "undetermined" by experience
      * There are infinite interpretations of a discourse depending on the context

      * Words have a meaning only relative to the other words they are connected to in the sentences that we assume to be true
      * The meaning of a sentence depends on the interpretation of the entire language. Its meaning can even change in time.
      * The meaning of language is not in the mind of the speaker

      From: Bhanu Padmo <greenbhanu@...>
      To: "TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com" <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com>; "greenlogic@yahoogroups.com" <greenlogic@...>; "seerseeker@yahoogroups.com" <seerseeker@yahoogroups.com>; "TheRampaPath@yahoogroups.com" <TheRampaPath@yahoogroups.com>; Wisdom-l@yahoogroups.com; "GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com" <GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com>; "existlist@yahoogroups.com" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>; "esotericismspirituality@yahoogroups.com" <esotericismspirituality@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 11:29 PM
      Subject: [greenlogic] Re: [Wisdom-l] Re: [TheBecoming] Fw: The soul,re;latest missive. / Concept of Physical Life

      Concept of Physical Life
      Indefinite terms can never lead us to
      definitive clues about creation and life. Think of the nuisance-value of these
      indeterminate phrases viz. physical life, the vital, mental reality, the origin
      and so forth.
      However, these indeterminate terms can be
      turned into determinate ones through appropriate interpretation based on discreet
      and accurate fundamental definitions.
      Your narrations may at best be seen as
      *literary*, not *philosophical* straight away. For, these are instances of
      running non-philosophically amok, with few fundamental definitions in purview.
      Take the case of *physical life* as an
      example. This notion would constitute of a number of pre-conceived inferences
      which would collectively project life as an integral property of physicality.
      The constituent inferences would incorporate these necessary premises.
      1)    1) Life
      is inherent in physicality.
      2)    2) Physicality
      of existence is primarily the source of life.
      3)    3) Life
      may be experienced *subjectively* or noticed *objectively*.
      4)    4) The
      subjective experiencing of life and life*s objective indication are inherently
      and completely commensurable (with point-to-point correspondence, as that
      between an object and its mirror-image).
      5) *Life*
      is the integral property of the integrated physique and is composed of
      constituent properties ascribable uniquely to entity*s respective physical
      6) Constituents
      of entity*s integral subjective experience are inherently consistent and this intra-subjectivity
      consistency would connote and vindicate consistency among constituencies of
      life*s objectivity.
      7)    7) Similarly,
      constituents of life*s integral objective portrayal are inherently consistent
      and this intra-objectivity consistency connotes and vindicates consistency
      among constituencies of entity*s subjectivity.
      8)    8) Both
      intra-subjectivity and intra-objectivity consistencies along with reciprocal
      consistency between subjectivity and objectivity would connote and vindicate
      inherent intra-physique (intra-body, intra-existence) consistency among entity*s
      physical constituencies and physique-subjectivity, physique-objectivity
      reciprocal consistencies.
      9)    9) Though
      to the ordinary eye, these six fundamental consistencies - viz. intra-physique,
      intra-subjectivity and intra-objectivity consistencies and
      physique-subjectivity, physique-objectivity and subjectivity-objectivity
      reciprocal consistencies - may seem equally inherent and mutually disparate,
      there is a lineage of causality among them. This lineage emanates from *configured
      10  10) Thus *configuration*
      is the most fundamental inherence and the most fundamental cause. And the most
      fundamental cause is ever *existential* in nature. That is to say,
      configuration is the maiden and eternal *mechanism of existence*.
      11)11) Body/ physique is to
      be defined on the basis of its configuration.
      12)12) Corporeity and
      corporeality merge at *configuration*.
      13)13) Configuration is
      characterized with growing polarity in order to develop intra-body,
      intra-physique, intra-existence organs and to cause positive differentiation
      (evolution) of existence, subjectivity and objectivity.
      14)14) The maiden polarity
      is that endows existence/ entity with the maiden organ - the epistemic organ -
      that enables it to know itself (through internal subjectivity) and its
      neighborhood (through external objectivity). This process conforms with the
      obvious doctrine of *primordial right*. According to this doctrine, an
      existence/ entity must know itself and its neighborhood to materialize the *objective
      of existence*.
      15)15) The epistemic organ
      ought to emerge at the very (moment of) beginning of existence. That is to say,
      the epistemic organ isn*t only the maiden organ, it is the very maiden
      16)16) The epistemic organ
      has been latent for a long time by way of being buried in its won dazzle in the
      form of subjectivity (subjective feeling, epistemic experiencing) - as the
      filament of a milky electric bulb is buried inside own light, as the eye-organ
      is buried inside own sight-feeling.
      17)17) It has been the *primordial
      ignorance* which has grown into the greatest intellectual fallacy that proposes
      primacy of feeling (epistemic experience, subjectivity) over its existential
      seat (source of emanation) when the opposite is true.
      18)18) Growing polarity of
      existential configuration turns the latter into an unwieldy pyramidal hierarchy
      where the epistemic organ situated at its apex acquires great sophistication to
      be termed mind, intellect, soul-organ etc and to cause the great epistemic
      phenomena viz. emotion, subjectivity, soul-feeling etc.
      This should be an
      outline of the concept of *physical life*.

      (Bhanu Padmo)
      may reply this thread upon http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/greenlogic/%c2%a0
      as well
      or consign a copy to greenlogic@...   for extended discussions.

      --- On Sun, 2/3/13, devindersingh gulati <dgulhati@...> wrote:

      >From: devindersingh gulati <dgulhati@...>
      >Subject: [Wisdom-l] Re: [TheBecoming] Fw: The soul,re;latest missive.
      >To: "TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com" <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com>, "greenlogic@yahoogroups.com" <greenlogic@yahoogroups.com>, "seerseeker@yahoogroups.com" <seerseeker@yahoogroups.com>, "TheRampaPath@yahoogroups.com" <TheRampaPath@yahoogroups.com>, "Wisdom-l@yahoogroups.com" <Wisdom-l@yahoogroups.com>, "GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com" <GnosticThought@yahoogroups.com>, "existlist@yahoogroups.com" <existlist@yahoogroups.com>, "esotericismspirituality@yahoogroups.com" <esotericismspirituality@yahoogroups.com>
      >Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 5:05 AM

      >All physical life has the vital as its origin. The vital has the mental reality as its origin. The mental itself has another origin. And so on.
      >Nothing can be manifested upon earth physically unless it has at its origin a higher truth. Otherwise the world would not exist. If it were something flat, having its origin in itself, it would very soon cease to exist. It is because there is a force, an energy that drives, behind the manifestation that life continues to exist. Otherwise it would soon exhaust itself.
      >There is only one Origin. This Origin is the Truth at its perfection, for it is the only thing that truly exists. It has exteriorised itself, projected itself, scattered itself, and by so doing has produced what we see, a mass of very fine, very brilliant brains in search of that which they have not yet found and which they find at last; for what they are in search of is within them. 
      >There is what we call the Truth, the foundation of all things, because if that was not there nothing would be. There is nothing which does not carry within it an eternal Truth, otherwise it would not be. The universe would not exist for one thousandth part of a second if it did not contain in itself a Truth. 
      >You represent a little mass of agglomerate substance that forms your self. Enter into that and find the key. You cannot say: "That is beyond me, that is too great for me." Go within the little person and you will find the key that opens all the doors.
      > [http://sriaurobindoashram.com/Content.aspx?ContentURL=_StaticContent/SriAurobindoAshram/-09%20E-Library/-03%20Disciples/Nolini%20Kanta%20Gupta/Volume-4/-047_The%20Origin.htm]
      >> JACOB: These higher souls are,of course,dependent on higher forms of matter-basedentities.
      >The highest truth of curse is not matter based.
      > From: Bhanu Padmo <greenbhanu@...>
      >To: greenlogic@yahoogroups.com; seerseeker@yahoogroups.com; TheRampaPath@yahoogroups.com; Wisdom-l@yahoogroups.com; TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com
      >Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 11:48 AM
      >Subject: [TheBecoming] Fw: The soul,re;latest missive.

      >--- On Thu, 1/24/13, jacob@... <jacob@...> wrote:
      >>From: jacob@... <jacob@...>
      >>Subject: The soul,re;latest missive.
      >>To: "bhanu padmo" <greenbhanu@...>
      >>Date: Thursday, January 24, 2013, 5:53 AM
      >>Yes Bhanu,
      >>Thank you for your email.
      >>I have not the time and space(account Mbytes getting
      critical)to answer in
      >>Immortality from humanity's perspective cannot,philosophically
      >>speaking,amount to eternity,even if we are speaking about soul in the
      >>universal context,unless we believe that the Universe is without
      >>We are part of the whole.Our souls are part of the whole.Our
      >>is part of the whole.Our journey is to fall into our role as human being
      >>to become aware of who we are,what we are and where we are at.As our
      >>identification with the larger whole deepens and widens,our personal soul
      >>does likewise,one would think.Since there are any number of archetypes
      >>serving humanity,and in turn being served by humanity,it stands to reason
      >>that evolving souls identify and merge with higher,not necessarily
      >>physically embodied,souls.
      >>These higher souls are,of course,dependent on higher forms of matter-based
      >>entities.Ultimately,the proposition with regard to human bodies and their
      >>souls applies to larger,less dense entities just the same.The Universe as
      >>a whole is also a body/entity.If humans are able to think and feel,and
      >>surmise that they have a soul,they are only able to do so because the
      >>reality in principle is there,and was there from the beginning-If there
      >>was a beginning.If
      there was no beginning,there will be no end,but that is
      >>no proof that we will,as human beings,have a personal immortal soul.
      >>All is flux.Unless we become enlightened to the extent that we are able to
      >>escape this universe and become/start a new one(unlikely,but who
      >>knows,maybe nothing is impossible)we become individuated individuals on
      >>the way to merge with higher and higher entities until such time as we
      >>disappear as separate and become one with the One,the universe as a Whole.
      >>We may surmise that some living examples of human being are evolved to
      >>such an extent that they in fact constitute a very high soul at a level
      >>which will allow the so embodied human to join with the universal Whole
      >>directly upon the demise of the physical human body in question-Thereby
      >>by-passing all the other archetypes which,from a human perspective,are
      >>already,currently,from our perspective,dis-embodied.
      >>You are welcome to
      forward my little snippet of wisdom.I'll also check out
      >>the blog.
      >>Cheers.  Jacob.

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