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  • devindersingh
    Watch 13 minutes of this video from minute 21.13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcrsC3ExkVQ Can you find an existential meaning in it?
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      Watch 13 minutes of this video from minute 21.13
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcrsC3ExkVQ
      Can you find an existential meaning in it?

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      >
      > [a consummation in a deployment of the spirit's self knowledge and
      > self-power of its divine being and consciousness is the culmination]
      >
      > One could very well propose that there is an evolution of humanity [assuming
      > we will last much longer to actually evolve further], since we already know
      > that is what is happening.
      >
      > But your previous statement was that there is a meaning in the cosmos. So,
      > what is that meaning??
      >
      > If the meaning is that humans should arise and somehow reach a level of
      > divine being ... why?? Did the cosmos in its origin of the Big Bang also at
      > the time have a focus upon a humanity which would not appear for another 12
      > billion years or so??
      >
      > eduard
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: devindersingh
      > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:37 PM
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?
      >
      > There are, according to Sri Aurobindo, three stages that cover the entire
      > process of manifestation that is relevant to evolution. An involution of the
      > spirit in the inconscience is the beginning;
      > evolution in the ignorance with its play of possibilities of a partial
      > developing knowledge is the middle; a consummation in a deployment of the
      > spirit's self knowledge and self-power of its divine being and consciousness
      > is the culmination. It may be argued that the two stages that have already
      > occurred seem at first sight to deny the possibility of the later
      > consummating state of the cycle, but it is stressed that logically they
      > imply its emergence. For, it is argued, if the inconscience has evolved
      > consciousness, the partial consciousness already reached must surely evolve
      > into complete consciousness, considering that just as the impulse towards
      > Mind ranges from the more sensitive reactions of Life in the metal and the
      > plant up to its full organization in man, so in man himself there is the
      > same ascending series, the preparation, if nothing more, of a higher and
      > divine life. It is, therefore, contended that it is a supramentalised,
      > perfected and divinized life for which the earth-nature is secretly seeking,
      > and that a progressive manifestation of this kind can only have for its
      > secret or significance, the evolution of a Being in a perfect Becoming.
      > [http://www.sriaurobindoashram.com/Content.aspx?ContentURL=/_StaticContent/SriAurobindoAshram/-09%20E-Library/-03%20Disciples/Kireet%20Joshi/Integral%20yoga%20and%20Evollutionary%20Mutation/-03_Yoga%20and%20Evolution.htm#Evolution_and_Human_Progress]
      > According to Sri Aurobindo, the present age of human development has a
      > possibility of becoming a gate for the arrival of a Spiritual Age in which
      > the ideal of brotherhood can come to be practised; it is only in that
      > condition that a new form of human unity can be forged in which the
      > individual and the collectivity, even on a global scale of organization, can
      > come to be harmonized. In the meantime, however, it is to be realized that
      > the advent of the Spiritual Age and even a transition to that advent is
      > bound to be difficult, and it is, in fact, riddled with a series of crisis.
      > And there are deeper reasons for this crisis.
      > Sri Aurobindo considers the present stage of crisis as an
      > evolutionary crisis in which the human will is called upon to make a free
      > choice. This is the crisis where the human reason has evolved up to a point
      > where it is obliged to play the role of lifting up humanity to create a life
      > of unity, mutuality and harmony. On the other hand, there is a force that is
      > striving to assert stark barbarism which has still survived in the
      > civilized man. There is thus an acute conflict between the ideals of Reason
      > and the gravitational pull of barbarism supported by Unreason. Within the
      > larger framework of this conflict, there are three alternative
      > possibilities, which are also in conflict with each other. For it is
      > possible that the humankind may be able to utilize the present scientific
      > and technical knowledge to such an extent that an order of existence can be
      > created in which physical and vital wants of the human being can greatly, if
      > not fully, be satisfied, and it may also be conceived that this order of
      > existence can be maintained by mechanical devices and application of the
      > power of machines. This possibility may push humanity to the creation of a
      > framework that can be sustained only by the imprisonment of the human
      > spirit. There is also a second alternative in which human reason can
      > continue to spin out larger or narrower circles propounding great dreams but
      > find itself unable to fulfill them. But there is also a third alternative in
      > which the human beings might consent to rise to the higher levels than those
      > of the Reason and consent to be spiritualized.
      > [http://www.sriaurobindoashram.com/Content.aspx?ContentURL=/_StaticContent/SriAurobindoAshram/-09%20E-Library/-03%20Disciples/Kireet%20Joshi/Integral%20yoga%20and%20Evollutionary%20Mutation/-04_Human%20History%20and%20the%20Problems%20of%20the%20Harmony.htm#Contemporary_Evolutionary_Crisis]
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
      > >
      > > [The purpose of the creation of the cosmos is your own individual
      > > evolution]
      > >
      > > In brief, what you are saying is that humanity is evolving. We already
      > > know
      > > that ... even if one were to accept that it is an evolution towards a
      > > cosmic
      > > consciousness.
      > >
      > > That doesn't answer the question of what is the "meaning". Am I here for
      > > some particular purpose or reason?? What is there in all this for the
      > > individual??
      > >
      > > If the end point is to be able to link our consciousness with a cosmic
      > > consciousness, why is this important? If for some reason we do not reach
      > > that point ... so what? And who or what is monitoring our progress?
      > >
      > >
      > > eduard
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: devindersingh
      > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:49 AM
      > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?
      > >
      > > The meaning for you Eduard is this:Each plane that emerges in the
      > > evolution contains the seed of the following planes. So the plane of
      > > matter which emerges first contains the seed of the planes of life and
      > > mind. Each planes also has involved in it even higher planes, including
      > > the planes of the spirit. The spirit is involved in all the planes that
      > > emerge. One of the goals of life is for us to enable the spirit to
      > > emerge in matter, life, and mind. That is one of our roles of destiny;
      > > to release the spirit in all things.
      > >
      > > Life is involved in Matter; Mind is involved in Life; and Supermind in
      > > Mind. (Actually Mind is involved in Matter and Life, and Supermind in
      > > all three.)There is a process of unfolding of one plane from the
      > > previous plane. One plane emerges from the previous because it is
      > > already involved there as potential; and under the right circumstances
      > > emerges to the next highest plane. However, what really compels the
      > > emergence of the next plane is the underlying spirit that is embedded in
      > > each plane, pushing that plane's potential to emerge from its current
      > > plane into the next plane. Since spirit is infinitely creative, what
      > > emerges in the next plane is dynamically new and creative; what could
      > > not be conceived. http://www.gurusoftware.com/GuruNet/Creation.htm
      > > What then is the next step of your evolution Eduard?The ordinary human
      > > consciousness is confined to one's own individual consciousness.
      > > That is, we are directly aware of only our own thoughts, feelings and
      > > sensations. What lie outside our personal consciousnessâ€"the
      > > consciousness of other beings and things in the worldâ€"are
      > > apprehended by us only indirectly, through external sense contacts,
      > > emotional empathy or mental inference. However, the personal
      > > consciousness of our separate individual self is part of and one with
      > > the consciousness of the Cosmic Self. Our individual physical, vital and
      > > mental consciousness is derived from and is a part of a universal
      > > physical, vital and mental consciousness. But there is a wall of
      > > Ignorance between the individual consciousness and the universal
      > > consciousness. Consequently, the individual self feels itself to be
      > > separate from the universe. By means of a spiritual discipline our
      > > ordinary consciousness, which is more or less gross and dense, becomes
      > > more subtle and is able to perceive what lies outside our individual
      > > consciousness more directly through an inner perception. It becomes a
      > > direct perception of consciousness all around us through our own
      > > consciousness. Further, by a widening of the individual consciousness,
      > > it extends itself progressively so as finally to be identified with the
      > > consciousness of the universe, seeing oneself in everything in the
      > > cosmos and everything in the cosmos in oneself. One is then said to have
      > > cosmic consciousness. Thus, "When one has the cosmic consciousness,
      > > one can feel the cosmic Self as one's own self, one can feel one with
      > > other beings in the cosmos, one can feel all the forces of Nature as
      > > moving in oneself, all selves as one's own self" (1972d, p.
      > > 1071).http://www.ipi.org.in/texts/ipyc/ipyc-full/asdalal.php
      > > The purpose of the creation of the cosmos is your own individual
      > > evolution:http://www.gurusoftware.com/GuruNet/AurobindoMother/TheLifeDiv\
      > > ine/HTML/LifeDivineIntro.htm --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com,
      > > eduardathome wrote:
      > > >
      > > > [Is the cosmos meaningless, as expressed by various thinkers called
      > > > "Existentialists". I think not. ]
      > > >
      > > > If the cosmos has meaning, then what is this meaning?? And for this
      > > the
      > > > meaning should be a meaning for the individual. What does all this
      > > mean to
      > > > me. That is the issue. It is pointless to say that the cosmos has
      > > meaning
      > > > if this is not a meaning for the individual.
      > > >
      > > > So Debashish if you think the cosmos has meaning, please tell what is
      > > the
      > > > meaning.
      > > >
      > > > eduard
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: devindersingh
      > > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:35 AM
      > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Existentialist Concepts?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > would I agree with Camus that life is absurd? Life has a purpose.
      > > > Is the cosmos meaningless, as expressed by various thinkers called
      > > > "Existentialists". I think not.
      > > > > Dick: I exist so what is it all about and what does life offer in
      > > the way
      > > > > of experience.
      > > > This talk considers Sri Aurobindo's spiritual experiences.
      > > > The presentation is partly based on Dr. Debashish Banerji's recently
      > > > published book "Seven Quartets of Becoming: A Transformative Yoga
      > > Psychology
      > > > based on the Diaries of Sri Aurobindo".
      > > >
      > > > Dr. Debashish Banerji is a Dean of academic affairs at the University
      > > of
      > > > philosophical research in Los Angeles:
      > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Xhzui09n8Z0&feature=endscreen
      > > >
      > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Dick." wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Existentialist Concepts?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > [ Eduard, Agreed. We don't know how a zealot or sadist makes
      > > decisions.
      > > > > > Existentialist context is for existentialists, and there don't
      > > seem to
      > > > > > be many left anymore. It's pointless to argue whether anyone else
      > > is
      > > > > > acting authentically. I don't think anyone is inherently anything,
      > > and
      > > > > > I'm not accommodating terrorists by suggesting they're bound to an
      > > > > > ideology. Are there any existentialists concepts you agree with?
      > > Mary ]
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Well he is certainly right on that at least, they are brainwashed
      > > by an
      > > > > > ideology. However, do a numbered list of what you see as being THE
      > > > > > Existentialists Concepts and we can go though them one at a time.
      > > I read
      > > > > > them all many years ago and was most amazingly unimpressed and
      > > downright
      > > > > > bloody bored stiff. My own existentialist outlook is only one
      > > concept â€"
      > > > > > I exists so what is it all about and what does life offer in the
      > > way of
      > > > > > experience. I was asking that question, in a less sophisticated
      > > way,
      > > > > > when I was three. So, what does it have to offer us? What have you
      > > > > > found? I have told what I found (six books and a hundred poems and
      > > > > > thousands of letters and emails). Now you have a go. Or are you
      > > like the
      > > > > > gnostics and who say that they will not tell?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Dick Richardson
      > > > > >Dick, read the existentail primer. It is not too long and is very
      > > concise
      > > > > >and direct. CSW has continually updated it . You need not task us
      > > on our
      > > > > >own site when the whole philosophy is well outlined by the Owner.
      > > Bill
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