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  • William
    Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you flat
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 1, 2013
      Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you flat earth devotees and terra centrics let us examine where we are going in terms of where we are.No one wants to accept a relative view but what is your static point?
      The earth is rotating at 25000 mph around its own axis. We travel more than a billion years per annum in our race around the sun .The sun is moving at huge angular velocity around the center of the galaxy and the galaxys are flying away from each other fast enough to cause their light to red shift.Even though we move in all these various directions and speeds they add up to only a change of day to night to us as observers.
      In our old earth centered view of the universe man ,the only rational animal,was the big deal.The infallible ideas of popes and the power driven will of kings consigned the individual to wrote learning and obedience. When we place ourselves in the world that science reveals to us, we see that thought can lead us to extinction as well as prominance.Jeffersons brillient idea of democratic consensus promoting peace and progress must operate in the clear light of reality.WW 2 was our first look at the wildly destructive side of high science. Hiroshima was shocking . Bikini atoll awe inspiring and Schumacher Levi`s date with Jupiter left no doubt that massive forces can decimate us all.We are in a big show and can ill afford an innorant, superstitous leadership.
      Now for quasimodo. Where am I going? I am going to die. What will I know then, I will know nothing.After centuries of priestly hand holding , mankind was presented the truth by the phenominologists,existentialists and yes, the nihilists. The shock killed many of tham by suicide drugs and alcohol.Raised catholic I was taught I was a child of god and an heir to heaven. It took me years of excuse making to accept my personal mortality. For a time I thought of Chardins hyperpersonalisation as an escape, Bullshit. Then I postulated that thought goes on forever into space to be followed back by a superior species who would reincarnate me.Why should they give a damn if they are that superior. I even decided I could put my mind into a computer and clone my body and then download my brillience into a new and viril self. I think all this sort of foolishness derives from our survival instinct and who knows we may learn to survive for a very long time. Earth,however will die when the sun goes Nova. What a fine word,Nova, from the latin for "New". The atoms of our ashes will be blasted into intersteller space to reform into something or someone post nova. I can now live with that. What else can I do?
    • William
      Once you have orientated in this Map there is no lack of responsibility You are in chage of your ship and I am in charge of mine.If you start feeling self
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 1, 2013
        Once you have orientated in this Map there is no lack of responsibility You are in chage of your ship and I am in charge of mine.If you start feeling self important look at the sea after a ship goes down.It does not miss a wave let alone a tide. Between now and death what could be in store? In college I had a debate about the chance of repetative history. Thinking scientifically a moments reality equils the sum of all atomic movements from the moment before.Linear time seems a one way progression with randomness dictating no repetition except for very small homogenous atomic samples. Randomness also negates the possibility of predicting the future. People of faith believe in prophesy As a nihilist I can only guess at probability. It seems we have a major impact , an asteroid or big meteor every one hundred million years. The one that probably did in the dinosaurs happned sixty five million years ago. About all that can be said is that such an impact can happen at any time.I see us as a target waiting for the inevatable hit. We cannot retreat into the past and we cannot predict the future. I think the American People deserve praise for their steadfast adherance to their democrecy during these bloody centuries. I hope we are all paid in the coin of personal freedom. A Modern American Philosophy may be short on faith but it has no end of hope. So many fine Americans have accomplished so much, we carry their hope in our genes. Bill
      • eduardathome
        I watched a commercial for Cadilac ATS. It is sequence of fast driving on twisting roads supposedly to show the performance of the car. But what they are
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
          I watched a commercial for Cadilac ATS. It is sequence of fast driving on
          twisting roads supposedly to show the performance of the car. But what they
          are selling is an idea ... an impression ... of what you might get by
          putting down $40,000 or so.

          Yet, in the end the ATS is going to move at the speed of the slowest car in
          the traffic line. Eventually you may realise that it's a lie. And you are
          living it.

          eduard

          -----Original Message-----
          From: William
          Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:30 PM
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [existlist] Map

          Matter, it does matter.The periodic table of elements is full . We know what
          the universe is made of and where the various elements were formed in
          different kinds of stars.
          Size, size matters . One size does not fit all .The Hubble Space Telescope
          sees even more up scale than an electron microscope does down scale.In
          summary we know who we are and where and when we are . That`s a long line
          of progress back to huddling in the forest fearing almost everything as
          unknown. Fear shocks us into inactivity ,ignorance and submission.Those
          who use fear to block progress are the true enemies of an intelligent
          species.
          Where did I come from? The answer to this question has inflamed the boundry
          between religion and science even more than Galileo did with his
          heliocentric theory.Darwin started it, and modern archeologists and
          paleoanatomists have finished it. We evolved not from monkeys but from non
          cellular protiens which began the biohistory of the earth. These compounds
          appear today in the super thermal vents on the modern sea floor.We have the
          whole phylogenetic sequence complete with carbon 14 dates as temporal
          sign posts. It does not have to be believed,it is known. Nihilism,defined as
          the absence of all belief, is possible for those individual risk takers
          ready to accept the truth.I came from the stars ,the elements of the
          molocules of my body being thrown out of supernovi billions of years ago.We
          know the cosmic,geologic and biologic evolution of the animate and
          inanimate things of this planet.To believe for the security of past
          security is intellectual cowardice. To profit from
          spreading false beliefs is cultural fraud. The lame argument that less
          intelligent people need the creation myth to support their slight hold on
          reality is bunk.Evoloution is a story whose characters were or are all
          real.It can be told simply or in complex detail.Either way it holds
          togeather because it is real and the truth.If the fundamental ideas of a
          persons life are lies how can a person relate sucsusfully to the persons and
          things around him?If his false mentors hold him in terror of devels,hell and
          sin,how can an individual plan reasonable goals and live a reasonable happy
          life? How can those of us who know better quietly watch as more lies and
          liars are added to the culture? A Map can help. Our Map must not only state
          where we came from physically but intellectually. As americans our
          heritage is one of individual freedom as proposed by Jefferson and fought
          for by Washington. We came here to be free from despots both secular and
          religous. we have made great progress
          by capitalising on reality and truth. Those seeking profit through lies
          and false social control must be argued down, voted down and their minds
          must be changed.Our constitution allows people to say and believe what
          they wish but public dissenimation of ignorance,lies and bogotry must be
          assailed with knowledge truth and tolerance.



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        • eduardathome
          [What else can I do? ] Nothing. You are flowing with time and as much as a bubble forms out of hot water. Time is the fire in which we burn. eduard ... From:
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
            [What else can I do? ]

            Nothing. You are flowing with time and as much as a bubble forms out of hot
            water.

            Time is the fire in which we burn.

            eduard

            -----Original Message-----
            From: William
            Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:01 PM
            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [existlist] Map

            Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the
            Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you
            flat earth devotees and terra centrics let us examine where we are going in
            terms of where we are.No one wants to accept a relative view but what is
            your static point?
            The earth is rotating at 25000 mph around its own axis. We travel more than
            a billion years per annum in our race around the sun .The sun is moving at
            huge angular velocity around the center of the galaxy and the galaxys are
            flying away from each other fast enough to cause their light to red
            shift.Even though we move in all these various directions and speeds they
            add up to only a change of day to night to us as observers.
            In our old earth centered view of the universe man ,the only rational
            animal,was the big deal.The infallible ideas of popes and the power driven
            will of kings consigned the individual to wrote learning and obedience.
            When we place ourselves in the world that science reveals to us, we see that
            thought can lead us to extinction as well as prominance.Jeffersons brillient
            idea of democratic consensus promoting peace and progress must operate in
            the clear light of reality.WW 2 was our first look at the wildly
            destructive side of high science. Hiroshima was shocking . Bikini atoll awe
            inspiring and Schumacher Levi`s date with Jupiter left no doubt that massive
            forces can decimate us all.We are in a big show and can ill afford an
            innorant, superstitous leadership.
            Now for quasimodo. Where am I going? I am going to die. What will I know
            then, I will know nothing.After centuries of priestly hand holding , mankind
            was presented the truth by the phenominologists,existentialists and yes, the
            nihilists. The shock killed many of tham by suicide drugs and alcohol.Raised
            catholic I was taught I was a child of god and an heir to heaven. It took me
            years of excuse making to accept my personal mortality. For a time I
            thought of Chardins hyperpersonalisation as an escape, Bullshit. Then I
            postulated that thought goes on forever into space to be followed back by a
            superior species who would reincarnate me.Why should they give a damn if
            they are that superior. I even decided I could put my mind into a computer
            and clone my body and then download my brillience into a new and viril
            self. I think all this sort of foolishness derives from our survival
            instinct and who knows we may learn to survive for a very long time.
            Earth,however will die when the sun
            goes Nova. What a fine word,Nova, from the latin for "New". The atoms of
            our ashes will be blasted into intersteller space to reform into something
            or someone post nova. I can now live with that. What else can I do?



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          • William
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
              >
              > [What else can I do? ]
              >
              > Nothing. You are flowing with time and as much as a bubble forms out of hot
              > water.
              >
              > Time is the fire in which we burn.
              >
              > eduard
              > Eduard, a bubble, indeed. In a sense we are the fuel that stokes the fire but not much more. So here I begin to have agreement with Dick when he says just enjoy what you can. He likes to see us as endless worriers so that is why I posted MAP. Once you have it figured out to your stisfaction you can be light as that bubble you speak of. If you pop you don`t have to care at all, ever again. Mary remains serious with her causes and that is why I invite her to explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be interested. I retain a sense of revenge against those who threatned and even harmed me. I still have a Liddy list and know he devised that contrivance from FN. I do not let it eat me but given a chance I would enjoy coring someones apple.I have few now that would claim this negative attention it is all fading into a homogenous past. That bit from Jerimiah Johnson was a product of such an attitude. I meant to convey his attitude of nonchalance. Alone in the cold in the mountains who knows what happned or how long ago. It is just in your neurons as the tracks in the snow are all obliterated by wind and ice and more snow. If you can like your bubble then good for you . I feel a bit old to begin a new life quest but I had one and I answered mine. Bill
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: William
              > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:01 PM
              > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [existlist] Map
              >
              > Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the
              > Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you
              > flat earth devotees and terra centrics let us examine where we are going in
              > terms of where we are.No one wants to accept a relative view but what is
              > your static point?
              > The earth is rotating at 25000 mph around its own axis. We travel more than
              > a billion years per annum in our race around the sun .The sun is moving at
              > huge angular velocity around the center of the galaxy and the galaxys are
              > flying away from each other fast enough to cause their light to red
              > shift.Even though we move in all these various directions and speeds they
              > add up to only a change of day to night to us as observers.
              > In our old earth centered view of the universe man ,the only rational
              > animal,was the big deal.The infallible ideas of popes and the power driven
              > will of kings consigned the individual to wrote learning and obedience.
              > When we place ourselves in the world that science reveals to us, we see that
              > thought can lead us to extinction as well as prominance.Jeffersons brillient
              > idea of democratic consensus promoting peace and progress must operate in
              > the clear light of reality.WW 2 was our first look at the wildly
              > destructive side of high science. Hiroshima was shocking . Bikini atoll awe
              > inspiring and Schumacher Levi`s date with Jupiter left no doubt that massive
              > forces can decimate us all.We are in a big show and can ill afford an
              > innorant, superstitous leadership.
              > Now for quasimodo. Where am I going? I am going to die. What will I know
              > then, I will know nothing.After centuries of priestly hand holding , mankind
              > was presented the truth by the phenominologists,existentialists and yes, the
              > nihilists. The shock killed many of tham by suicide drugs and alcohol.Raised
              > catholic I was taught I was a child of god and an heir to heaven. It took me
              > years of excuse making to accept my personal mortality. For a time I
              > thought of Chardins hyperpersonalisation as an escape, Bullshit. Then I
              > postulated that thought goes on forever into space to be followed back by a
              > superior species who would reincarnate me.Why should they give a damn if
              > they are that superior. I even decided I could put my mind into a computer
              > and clone my body and then download my brillience into a new and viril
              > self. I think all this sort of foolishness derives from our survival
              > instinct and who knows we may learn to survive for a very long time.
              > Earth,however will die when the sun
              > goes Nova. What a fine word,Nova, from the latin for "New". The atoms of
              > our ashes will be blasted into intersteller space to reform into something
              > or someone post nova. I can now live with that. What else can I do?
              >
              >
              >
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              >
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              >
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            • Mary
              Bill, I work for causes I m interested in and care about, those I feel connected with like women s and children s issues, the environment, and safeguarding the
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
                Bill,

                I work for causes I'm interested in and care about, those I feel connected with like women's and children's issues, the environment, and safeguarding the democratic process. While I'm alive I may as well do something that helps others and pleases me. I work for what's in my power to affect but also accept what I can't. What lives on are my children and their hopes. Nothing and being are always becoming something. I am what I do; what else is there?

                Mary

                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" wrote:

                >Mary remains serious with her causes and that is why I invite her to explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be interested.
              • William
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
                  --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" wrote:
                  >
                  > Bill,
                  >
                  > I work for causes I'm interested in and care about, those I feel connected with like women's and children's issues, the environment, and safeguarding the democratic process. While I'm alive I may as well do something that helps others and pleases me. I work for what's in my power to affect but also accept what I can't. What lives on are my children and their hopes. Nothing and being are always becoming something. I am what I do; what else is there?
                  >
                  > Mary
                  >Mary, perfectly understandable, thank you. I refuse to accept that I owe this existance anything. I did not ask to come here and I am not asking to leave. I still cling to the biologic imperative, Your born,you reproduce, you die. Two of those imperatives you have little choice about. We have both done our reproducing and can dispense with that. I must remember my enthusiasm for Obama and his politics. I had great interest and worked to see his election and reelection. I did not owe him that but owed it in retribution against the right wing that scewered me during Bush. I have a dollar amount they cost me and it will take the rest of Obama time to make it up. It was a milestone for me when the DOW went back above 1400. It is a rough way to keep score but now I want those lost profits returned. I`ll toot my own economic whistle for that tune and think this president will stay his economic course. I had a mentor who said money does not really count it is just a way of keeping score. I am still keeping score. Bill
                  > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" wrote:
                  >
                  > >Mary remains serious with her causes and that is why I invite her to explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be interested.
                  >
                • Dick.
                  You are NOT what you DO. You are thing which is doing it. Find out what that thing is. If you were NOT something then you would be able to do anything. And
                  Message 8 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
                    You are NOT what you DO. You are thing which is doing it. Find out what
                    that thing is. If you were NOT something then you would be able to do
                    anything. And that does not mean BELIEVE what you are, it means FIND
                    OUT.
                    Having fun on facebook. I was banned yesterday after just one day :- )
                    But I got back on today with another ID and having fun again :- )

                    Dick Richardson

                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" wrote:
                    >
                    > Bill,
                    >
                    > I work for causes I'm interested in and care about, those I feel
                    connected with like women's and children's issues, the environment, and
                    safeguarding the democratic process. While I'm alive I may as well do
                    something that helps others and pleases me. I work for what's in my
                    power to affect but also accept what I can't. What lives on are my
                    children and their hopes. Nothing and being are always becoming
                    something. I am what I do; what else is there?
                    >
                    > Mary
                    >
                    > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" wrote:
                    >
                    > >Mary remains serious with her causes and that is why I invite her to
                    explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be interested.
                    >



                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • eduardathome
                    Although there is no grand purpose in it all, and you do what you can, it is also possible to conceive of some objective of your own that makes the living
                    Message 9 of 26 , Feb 2, 2013
                      Although there is no grand purpose in it all, and you do what you can, it is
                      also possible to conceive of some objective of your own that makes the
                      living years more interesting.

                      eduard

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: William
                      Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:59 PM
                      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [existlist] Re: Map



                      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
                      >
                      > [What else can I do? ]
                      >
                      > Nothing. You are flowing with time and as much as a bubble forms out of
                      > hot
                      > water.
                      >
                      > Time is the fire in which we burn.
                      >
                      > eduard
                      > Eduard, a bubble, indeed. In a sense we are the fuel that stokes the fire
                      > but not much more. So here I begin to have agreement with Dick when he
                      > says just enjoy what you can. He likes to see us as endless worriers so
                      > that is why I posted MAP. Once you have it figured out to your stisfaction
                      > you can be light as that bubble you speak of. If you pop you don`t have to
                      > care at all, ever again. Mary remains serious with her causes and that is
                      > why I invite her to explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be
                      > interested. I retain a sense of revenge against those who threatned and
                      > even harmed me. I still have a Liddy list and know he devised that
                      > contrivance from FN. I do not let it eat me but given a chance I would
                      > enjoy coring someones apple.I have few now that would claim this negative
                      > attention it is all fading into a homogenous past. That bit from Jerimiah
                      > Johnson was a product of such an attitude. I meant to convey his attitude
                      > of nonchalance. Alone in the cold in the
                      mountains who knows what happned or how long ago. It is just in your
                      neurons as the tracks in the snow are all obliterated by wind and ice and
                      more snow. If you can like your bubble then good for you . I feel a bit old
                      to begin a new life quest but I had one and I answered mine. Bill
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: William
                      > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:01 PM
                      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [existlist] Map
                      >
                      > Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the
                      > Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you
                      > flat earth devotees and terra centrics let us examine where we are going
                      > in
                      > terms of where we are.No one wants to accept a relative view but what
                      > is
                      > your static point?
                      > The earth is rotating at 25000 mph around its own axis. We travel more
                      > than
                      > a billion years per annum in our race around the sun .The sun is moving at
                      > huge angular velocity around the center of the galaxy and the galaxys are
                      > flying away from each other fast enough to cause their light to red
                      > shift.Even though we move in all these various directions and speeds they
                      > add up to only a change of day to night to us as observers.
                      > In our old earth centered view of the universe man ,the only rational
                      > animal,was the big deal.The infallible ideas of popes and the power
                      > driven
                      > will of kings consigned the individual to wrote learning and obedience.
                      > When we place ourselves in the world that science reveals to us, we see
                      > that
                      > thought can lead us to extinction as well as prominance.Jeffersons
                      > brillient
                      > idea of democratic consensus promoting peace and progress must operate in
                      > the clear light of reality.WW 2 was our first look at the wildly
                      > destructive side of high science. Hiroshima was shocking . Bikini atoll
                      > awe
                      > inspiring and Schumacher Levi`s date with Jupiter left no doubt that
                      > massive
                      > forces can decimate us all.We are in a big show and can ill afford an
                      > innorant, superstitous leadership.
                      > Now for quasimodo. Where am I going? I am going to die. What will I know
                      > then, I will know nothing.After centuries of priestly hand holding ,
                      > mankind
                      > was presented the truth by the phenominologists,existentialists and yes,
                      > the
                      > nihilists. The shock killed many of tham by suicide drugs and
                      > alcohol.Raised
                      > catholic I was taught I was a child of god and an heir to heaven. It took
                      > me
                      > years of excuse making to accept my personal mortality. For a time I
                      > thought of Chardins hyperpersonalisation as an escape, Bullshit. Then I
                      > postulated that thought goes on forever into space to be followed back by
                      > a
                      > superior species who would reincarnate me.Why should they give a damn if
                      > they are that superior. I even decided I could put my mind into a
                      > computer
                      > and clone my body and then download my brillience into a new and viril
                      > self. I think all this sort of foolishness derives from our survival
                      > instinct and who knows we may learn to survive for a very long time.
                      > Earth,however will die when the sun
                      > goes Nova. What a fine word,Nova, from the latin for "New". The atoms of
                      > our ashes will be blasted into intersteller space to reform into something
                      > or someone post nova. I can now live with that. What else can I do?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------------------------------
                      >
                      > Please support the Existential Primer... dedicated to explaining nothing!
                      >
                      > Home Page: http://www.tameri.com/csw/existYahoo! Groups Links
                      >




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                    • William
                      Message 10 of 26 , Feb 3, 2013
                        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
                        >
                        > Although there is no grand purpose in it all, and you do what you can, it is
                        > also possible to conceive of some objective of your own that makes the
                        > living years more interesting.
                        >
                        > eduard
                        > Eduard, I have kept it interesting but as to attaching some importance to it I have not. The whole Map exercise aimed at seeing our tenure here as fleeting and forgetable. To puff it up and demand importance and notation is just a false stance, the stance of a fool. Johnson ,after all his trials and combats, knew it was just all wiped away with the next snow. I have made choices and made them stick. That is what FN saw as the triumph of will. It is not a moral judgment it is a personal judgment and the will to power to accomplish some goal is the pinnacle of human endeavour. Once it is done it is gone and is better forgotten. I am beginning to have comfort in the fading of past matters. That is what should happen . The old times are not my home . Only the prior moment was my home and even that is now gone. The native american in me hates to be photographed. They thought the camera took your spirit. I think it sucks you into the past where you cannot truthfully live. I`m forgetting so I can make room for today. If you watch the bloody spectacle have a good Super Bowl. Bill
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: William
                        > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:59 PM
                        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [existlist] Re: Map
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
                        > >
                        > > [What else can I do? ]
                        > >
                        > > Nothing. You are flowing with time and as much as a bubble forms out of
                        > > hot
                        > > water.
                        > >
                        > > Time is the fire in which we burn.
                        > >
                        > > eduard
                        > > Eduard, a bubble, indeed. In a sense we are the fuel that stokes the fire
                        > > but not much more. So here I begin to have agreement with Dick when he
                        > > says just enjoy what you can. He likes to see us as endless worriers so
                        > > that is why I posted MAP. Once you have it figured out to your stisfaction
                        > > you can be light as that bubble you speak of. If you pop you don`t have to
                        > > care at all, ever again. Mary remains serious with her causes and that is
                        > > why I invite her to explain why . Not that she has to, but I would be
                        > > interested. I retain a sense of revenge against those who threatned and
                        > > even harmed me. I still have a Liddy list and know he devised that
                        > > contrivance from FN. I do not let it eat me but given a chance I would
                        > > enjoy coring someones apple.I have few now that would claim this negative
                        > > attention it is all fading into a homogenous past. That bit from Jerimiah
                        > > Johnson was a product of such an attitude. I meant to convey his attitude
                        > > of nonchalance. Alone in the cold in the
                        > mountains who knows what happned or how long ago. It is just in your
                        > neurons as the tracks in the snow are all obliterated by wind and ice and
                        > more snow. If you can like your bubble then good for you . I feel a bit old
                        > to begin a new life quest but I had one and I answered mine. Bill
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: William
                        > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:01 PM
                        > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [existlist] Map
                        > >
                        > > Now I want to talk about where we are going.This is like the moment in the
                        > > Hunchback of Notre Dame when Quasimodo appears,the audience gasps.For you
                        > > flat earth devotees and terra centrics let us examine where we are going
                        > > in
                        > > terms of where we are.No one wants to accept a relative view but what
                        > > is
                        > > your static point?
                        > > The earth is rotating at 25000 mph around its own axis. We travel more
                        > > than
                        > > a billion years per annum in our race around the sun .The sun is moving at
                        > > huge angular velocity around the center of the galaxy and the galaxys are
                        > > flying away from each other fast enough to cause their light to red
                        > > shift.Even though we move in all these various directions and speeds they
                        > > add up to only a change of day to night to us as observers.
                        > > In our old earth centered view of the universe man ,the only rational
                        > > animal,was the big deal.The infallible ideas of popes and the power
                        > > driven
                        > > will of kings consigned the individual to wrote learning and obedience.
                        > > When we place ourselves in the world that science reveals to us, we see
                        > > that
                        > > thought can lead us to extinction as well as prominance.Jeffersons
                        > > brillient
                        > > idea of democratic consensus promoting peace and progress must operate in
                        > > the clear light of reality.WW 2 was our first look at the wildly
                        > > destructive side of high science. Hiroshima was shocking . Bikini atoll
                        > > awe
                        > > inspiring and Schumacher Levi`s date with Jupiter left no doubt that
                        > > massive
                        > > forces can decimate us all.We are in a big show and can ill afford an
                        > > innorant, superstitous leadership.
                        > > Now for quasimodo. Where am I going? I am going to die. What will I know
                        > > then, I will know nothing.After centuries of priestly hand holding ,
                        > > mankind
                        > > was presented the truth by the phenominologists,existentialists and yes,
                        > > the
                        > > nihilists. The shock killed many of tham by suicide drugs and
                        > > alcohol.Raised
                        > > catholic I was taught I was a child of god and an heir to heaven. It took
                        > > me
                        > > years of excuse making to accept my personal mortality. For a time I
                        > > thought of Chardins hyperpersonalisation as an escape, Bullshit. Then I
                        > > postulated that thought goes on forever into space to be followed back by
                        > > a
                        > > superior species who would reincarnate me.Why should they give a damn if
                        > > they are that superior. I even decided I could put my mind into a
                        > > computer
                        > > and clone my body and then download my brillience into a new and viril
                        > > self. I think all this sort of foolishness derives from our survival
                        > > instinct and who knows we may learn to survive for a very long time.
                        > > Earth,however will die when the sun
                        > > goes Nova. What a fine word,Nova, from the latin for "New". The atoms of
                        > > our ashes will be blasted into intersteller space to reform into something
                        > > or someone post nova. I can now live with that. What else can I do?
                        > >
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