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Re: [existlist] So get tough and view yourself as what you are

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  • eduardathome
    I would suggest that you ARE your brain. And your brain IS you. All of your characteristics and behaviours are learned by your brain over time and it/you
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 3, 2013
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      I would suggest that you ARE your brain. And your brain IS you. All of your
      characteristics and behaviours are learned by your brain over time and
      it/you react accordingly. If you are an idea ... it is an idea that is
      created [learned] and stored in your brain.

      I have a lot of faults. Some big ones which were learned as a child. I
      can't get rid of them without knowing how they are produced. It is not
      sufficient to say that I have this or that behaviour and would do better if
      I tried to improve on them. That's very vague. Its much better if I
      recognize that I am running particular mental scripts and can deal with them
      on that basis. My efforts can be directed to modifying scripts or creating
      new replacement scripts. Some I have gotten rid of, but it takes an effort.
      It's not that easy to rewrite a script.

      eduardathome

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mary
      Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:08 PM
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [existlist] So get tough and view yourself as what you are

      I am not just a brain providing my own input. If I create and control my own
      reality, if my reality is nothing more than a self-perpetuating
      hallucination, then nihilism is as appropriate a response as ethical atheism
      or any other perspective. I am inextricably interconnected with other
      solipsistic hallucinations, but at some point I presume there is "external"
      input. The frontier of "other" remains a persistent, sometimes hostile and
      bewildering territory. Even a cursory examination of the obvious ways we are
      interrelated with one another reveals a structure of physical and
      intellectual entwinement which is undeniable. We can argue about degrees of
      entanglement and whether the brain is self-directing, but these are ideas.
      Ultimately I am an idea, which is as real as it gets.

      Mary





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    • Mary
      I think it s immensely helpful if one uses the term mental scripts rather than bad habits, and recognizes the brain has a quality of plasticity which
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 4, 2013
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        I think it's immensely helpful if one uses the term 'mental scripts' rather than 'bad habits,' and recognizes the brain has a quality of plasticity which affords some personal control. So much of thought is automatic and without any cognitive awareness, which is useful for some functions but detrimental for others. Bohm wanted us to face 'sustained incoherence' for which plasticity offers hope. Sustained incoherence is simply conflicting mental scripts.

        Mary

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
        >
        > I would suggest that you ARE your brain. And your brain IS you. All of your
        > characteristics and behaviours are learned by your brain over time and
        > it/you react accordingly. If you are an idea ... it is an idea that is
        > created [learned] and stored in your brain.
        >
        > I have a lot of faults. Some big ones which were learned as a child. I
        > can't get rid of them without knowing how they are produced. It is not
        > sufficient to say that I have this or that behaviour and would do better if
        > I tried to improve on them. That's very vague. Its much better if I
        > recognize that I am running particular mental scripts and can deal with them
        > on that basis. My efforts can be directed to modifying scripts or creating
        > new replacement scripts. Some I have gotten rid of, but it takes an effort.
        > It's not that easy to rewrite a script.
        >
        > eduardathome
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Mary
        > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:08 PM
        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [existlist] So get tough and view yourself as what you are
        >
        > I am not just a brain providing my own input. If I create and control my own
        > reality, if my reality is nothing more than a self-perpetuating
        > hallucination, then nihilism is as appropriate a response as ethical atheism
        > or any other perspective. I am inextricably interconnected with other
        > solipsistic hallucinations, but at some point I presume there is "external"
        > input. The frontier of "other" remains a persistent, sometimes hostile and
        > bewildering territory. Even a cursory examination of the obvious ways we are
        > interrelated with one another reveals a structure of physical and
        > intellectual entwinement which is undeniable. We can argue about degrees of
        > entanglement and whether the brain is self-directing, but these are ideas.
        > Ultimately I am an idea, which is as real as it gets.
        >
        > Mary
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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        >
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        >
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      • eduardathome
        sustained incoherence Tyler Durden: Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say
        Message 3 of 4 , Jan 4, 2013
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          'sustained incoherence'

          Tyler Durden: Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe
          patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let...
          lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

          For some reason, I'm into "Fight Club" tonight. Wonderful movie.

          eduardathome

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Mary
          Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:23 AM
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [existlist] Re: So get tough and view yourself as what you are

          I think it's immensely helpful if one uses the term 'mental scripts' rather
          than 'bad habits,' and recognizes the brain has a quality of plasticity
          which affords some personal control. So much of thought is automatic and
          without any cognitive awareness, which is useful for some functions but
          detrimental for others. Bohm wanted us to face 'sustained incoherence' for
          which plasticity offers hope. Sustained incoherence is simply conflicting
          mental scripts.

          Mary

          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eduardathome wrote:
          >
          > I would suggest that you ARE your brain. And your brain IS you. All of
          > your
          > characteristics and behaviours are learned by your brain over time and
          > it/you react accordingly. If you are an idea ... it is an idea that is
          > created [learned] and stored in your brain.
          >
          > I have a lot of faults. Some big ones which were learned as a child. I
          > can't get rid of them without knowing how they are produced. It is not
          > sufficient to say that I have this or that behaviour and would do better
          > if
          > I tried to improve on them. That's very vague. Its much better if I
          > recognize that I am running particular mental scripts and can deal with
          > them
          > on that basis. My efforts can be directed to modifying scripts or creating
          > new replacement scripts. Some I have gotten rid of, but it takes an
          > effort.
          > It's not that easy to rewrite a script.
          >
          > eduardathome
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: Mary
          > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:08 PM
          > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [existlist] So get tough and view yourself as what you are
          >
          > I am not just a brain providing my own input. If I create and control my
          > own
          > reality, if my reality is nothing more than a self-perpetuating
          > hallucination, then nihilism is as appropriate a response as ethical
          > atheism
          > or any other perspective. I am inextricably interconnected with other
          > solipsistic hallucinations, but at some point I presume there is
          > "external"
          > input. The frontier of "other" remains a persistent, sometimes hostile
          > and
          > bewildering territory. Even a cursory examination of the obvious ways we
          > are
          > interrelated with one another reveals a structure of physical and
          > intellectual entwinement which is undeniable. We can argue about degrees
          > of
          > entanglement and whether the brain is self-directing, but these are ideas.
          > Ultimately I am an idea, which is as real as it gets.
          >
          > Mary
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Please support the Existential Primer... dedicated to explaining nothing!
          >
          > Home Page: http://www.tameri.com/csw/existYahoo! Groups Links
          >




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