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  • Susan Schnelbach
    I think there is also a general decline in the use of Yahoo and other stranger-based discussion groups. I think a few studies have shown that most people
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 22, 2012
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      I think there is also a general decline in the use of Yahoo and other stranger-based discussion groups. I think a few studies have shown that most people interact online with friends and acquaintances via Facebook instead of strangers via Yahoo Groups. Something Scott read a few weeks ago said that Yahoo Groups users tend to be over 50 (or so) and users of the other social networks tend to be under 40.

      But yes, I would imagine that discussion groups about philosophy rank among the lowest in attendance. Groups discussing American Idol, etc, are probably more popular. :)

      - Sue


      On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Jim wrote:

      > Mr Knott,
      >
      > I don't think the decline in activity on this list is due to our moderator, although I think some of your other points are valid.
      >
      > We know that Mary and Wil left the group because of Bill's rude, aggressive, paranoid posts. (We know that because they said so, but no doubt you can mount your usual sceptical challenges here as well as elsewhere.)
      >
      > Dick Richardson's verbal diarrhoea also contributed to people switching off, I think.
      >
      > However, I think the main reason for the decline on the list is due to existentialism itself becoming a spent force. Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre and the others are no longer hot topics of conversation, and perhaps the remaining existentialists on this list just ran out of worthwhile things to say?
      >
      > Jim
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      >



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    • William
      ... The problem is friends reiterate the same old junk, over and over. It becomes a recognition exercise not a debate about ideas. I have been a proponent of
      Message 2 of 11 , Mar 23, 2012
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        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Susan Schnelbach <susan@...> wrote:
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        > I think there is also a general decline in the use of Yahoo and other stranger-based discussion groups. I think a few studies have shown that most people interact online with friends and acquaintances via Facebook instead of strangers via Yahoo Groups. Something Scott read a few weeks ago said that Yahoo Groups users tend to be over 50 (or so) and users of the other social networks tend to be under 40.
        >
        > But yes, I would imagine that discussion groups about philosophy rank among the lowest in attendance. Groups discussing American Idol, etc, are probably more popular. :)
        >
        > - Sue
        > Susan, the hand held media do not lend themselves to extensive oratory about a subject. They are truly conversational while this media is paragraph or even essay prone. I agree it is difficult to communicate with strangers and the propriety inherant in essay media is of a distance inhabited by strangers, not friends.
        The problem is friends reiterate the same old junk, over and over. It becomes a recognition exercise not a debate about ideas.
        I have been a proponent of full throated airing of views . Bill Mahr represents that sort of explanation and he has recently decried the politically correct simplicity of the under forty peoples.That is why I get on your case about censorship. If you want to be superficial go tweet. If you want to deeply discuss a subject write here. The rise of the anti bullying facade has added to the propensity to only broadcasting platitudes and pleasantries. The post moderns are good little robots and never step on the cracks. Therefore they live in the headlines and never venture into the text. No truth is exposed but no feathers are roughed. No one is bullied because no one has thought about anything. I do not like those people and I do not like you when you side with them. Straight forwardness is not bullying and the over correct stance, so often proposed today, will take years of in court ,serious argument to square with constitutional rights of free speach. I blame the educators for leading us into this wasteland of frightened rabbits. Knowing you are of the academy that puts you and yours in my sights.
        I do not think i could have tweeted that but you may wish I did. Bill
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        > On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Jim wrote:
        >
        > > Mr Knott,
        > >
        > > I don't think the decline in activity on this list is due to our moderator, although I think some of your other points are valid.
        > >
        > > We know that Mary and Wil left the group because of Bill's rude, aggressive, paranoid posts. (We know that because they said so, but no doubt you can mount your usual sceptical challenges here as well as elsewhere.)
        > >
        > > Dick Richardson's verbal diarrhoea also contributed to people switching off, I think.
        > >
        > > However, I think the main reason for the decline on the list is due to existentialism itself becoming a spent force. Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre and the others are no longer hot topics of conversation, and perhaps the remaining existentialists on this list just ran out of worthwhile things to say?
        > >
        > > Jim
        > >
        > >
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        >
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        >
      • Susan Schnelbach
        I m unclear why you keep mentioning censorship. As far as I know, we ve never removed any posts except a few that were obvious spammers (advertising Viagra,
        Message 3 of 11 , Mar 24, 2012
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          I'm unclear why you keep mentioning censorship. As far as I know, we've never removed any posts except a few that were obvious spammers (advertising Viagra, porn, etc). We don't block posts or delete them, so no censorship. Any missing or delayed posts are either user error or Yahoo being Yahoo.

          Otherwise, yes, you are correct. People do not use Facebook for discussion groups or essays. People use Facebook to share media with friends and family in short, limited-attention-required bursts. And Twitter really isn't useful for much of anything except short humor.

          But you have to admit that the studies analyzing Facebook use and narcissism are interesting... leading back to something Richard commented on. People collecting hundreds and hundreds of friends are either creating marketing networks or are in need of constant ego-stroking and "me, me, me" feedback.

          As for the bullying: if only one person cried "bully," I would ignore it and let them deal with the problem on their own. When many cry "bully," there's a problem.



          On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:32 AM, William wrote:

          >
          >
          > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Susan Schnelbach <susan@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > I think there is also a general decline in the use of Yahoo and other stranger-based discussion groups. I think a few studies have shown that most people interact online with friends and acquaintances via Facebook instead of strangers via Yahoo Groups. Something Scott read a few weeks ago said that Yahoo Groups users tend to be over 50 (or so) and users of the other social networks tend to be under 40.
          > >
          > > But yes, I would imagine that discussion groups about philosophy rank among the lowest in attendance. Groups discussing American Idol, etc, are probably more popular. :)
          > >
          > > - Sue
          > > Susan, the hand held media do not lend themselves to extensive oratory about a subject. They are truly conversational while this media is paragraph or even essay prone. I agree it is difficult to communicate with strangers and the propriety inherant in essay media is of a distance inhabited by strangers, not friends.
          > The problem is friends reiterate the same old junk, over and over. It becomes a recognition exercise not a debate about ideas.
          > I have been a proponent of full throated airing of views . Bill Mahr represents that sort of explanation and he has recently decried the politically correct simplicity of the under forty peoples.That is why I get on your case about censorship. If you want to be superficial go tweet. If you want to deeply discuss a subject write here. The rise of the anti bullying facade has added to the propensity to only broadcasting platitudes and pleasantries. The post moderns are good little robots and never step on the cracks. Therefore they live in the headlines and never venture into the text. No truth is exposed but no feathers are roughed. No one is bullied because no one has thought about anything. I do not like those people and I do not like you when you side with them. Straight forwardness is not bullying and the over correct stance, so often proposed today, will take years of in court ,serious argument to square with constitutional rights of free speach. I blame the educators for leading us into this wasteland of frightened rabbits. Knowing you are of the academy that puts you and yours in my sights.
          > I do not think i could have tweeted that but you may wish I did. Bill
          > >
          > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Jim wrote:
          > >
          > > > Mr Knott,
          > > >
          > > > I don't think the decline in activity on this list is due to our moderator, although I think some of your other points are valid.
          > > >
          > > > We know that Mary and Wil left the group because of Bill's rude, aggressive, paranoid posts. (We know that because they said so, but no doubt you can mount your usual sceptical challenges here as well as elsewhere.)
          > > >
          > > > Dick Richardson's verbal diarrhoea also contributed to people switching off, I think.
          > > >
          > > > However, I think the main reason for the decline on the list is due to existentialism itself becoming a spent force. Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre and the others are no longer hot topics of conversation, and perhaps the remaining existentialists on this list just ran out of worthwhile things to say?
          > > >
          > > > Jim
          > > >
          > > >
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          > >
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          > >
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        • William
          Message 4 of 11 , Mar 24, 2012
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            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Susan Schnelbach <susan@...> wrote:
            >
            > I'm unclear why you keep mentioning censorship. As far as I know, we've never removed any posts except a few that were obvious spammers (advertising Viagra, porn, etc). We don't block posts or delete them, so no censorship. Any missing or delayed posts are either user error or Yahoo being Yahoo.
            >
            > Otherwise, yes, you are correct. People do not use Facebook for discussion groups or essays. People use Facebook to share media with friends and family in short, limited-attention-required bursts. And Twitter really isn't useful for much of anything except short humor.
            >
            > But you have to admit that the studies analyzing Facebook use and narcissism are interesting... leading back to something Richard commented on. People collecting hundreds and hundreds of friends are either creating marketing networks or are in need of constant ego-stroking and "me, me, me" feedback.
            >
            > As for the bullying: if only one person cried "bully," I would ignore it and let them deal with the problem on their own. When many cry "bully," there's a problem.
            >
            >
            >
            > On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:32 AM, William wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Susan Schnelbach <susan@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > I think there is also a general decline in the use of Yahoo and other stranger-based discussion groups. I think a few studies have shown that most people interact online with friends and acquaintances via Facebook instead of strangers via Yahoo Groups. Something Scott read a few weeks ago said that Yahoo Groups users tend to be over 50 (or so) and users of the other social networks tend to be under 40.
            > > >
            > > > But yes, I would imagine that discussion groups about philosophy rank among the lowest in attendance. Groups discussing American Idol, etc, are probably more popular. :)
            > > >
            > > > - Sue
            > > > Susan, the hand held media do not lend themselves to extensive oratory about a subject. They are truly conversational while this media is paragraph or even essay prone. I agree it is difficult to communicate with strangers and the propriety inherant in essay media is of a distance inhabited by strangers, not friends.
            > > The problem is friends reiterate the same old junk, over and over. It becomes a recognition exercise not a debate about ideas.
            > > I have been a proponent of full throated airing of views . Bill Mahr represents that sort of explanation and he has recently decried the politically correct simplicity of the under forty peoples.That is why I get on your case about censorship. If you want to be superficial go tweet. If you want to deeply discuss a subject write here. The rise of the anti bullying facade has added to the propensity to only broadcasting platitudes and pleasantries. The post moderns are good little robots and never step on the cracks. Therefore they live in the headlines and never venture into the text. No truth is exposed but no feathers are roughed. No one is bullied because no one has thought about anything. I do not like those people and I do not like you when you side with them. Straight forwardness is not bullying and the over correct stance, so often proposed today, will take years of in court ,serious argument to square with constitutional rights of free speach. I blame the educators for leading us into this wasteland of frightened rabbits. Knowing you are of the academy that puts you and yours in my sights.
            > > I do not think i could have tweeted that but you may wish I did. Bill
            > > >
            > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Jim wrote:
            > > >
            > > > > Mr Knott,
            > > > >
            > > > > I don't think the decline in activity on this list is due to our moderator, although I think some of your other points are valid.
            > > > >
            > > > > We know that Mary and Wil left the group because of Bill's rude, aggressive, paranoid posts. (We know that because they said so, but no doubt you can mount your usual sceptical challenges here as well as elsewhere.)
            > > > >
            > > > > Dick Richardson's verbal diarrhoea also contributed to people switching off, I think.
            > > > >
            > > > > However, I think the main reason for the decline on the list is due to existentialism itself becoming a spent force. Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre and the others are no longer hot topics of conversation, and perhaps the remaining existentialists on this list just ran out of worthwhile things to say?
            > > > >
            > > > > Jim
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