Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: Idealogue responses

Expand Messages
  • William
    Message 1 of 43 , Dec 18, 2011
    • 0 Attachment
      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
      >
      > Mary,
      >
      > Thanks, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!
      >
      > I am not sure of the value of generalising, but I think all of us do it.
      >
      > Whilst there are many exceptions, I think men often, perhaps unconsciously, think women have a duty to look after them (or serve them in the manner of a servant), whether it is their mothers, wives/partners or daughters. And many women, for whatever reason, feel it is their duty to look after (serve) their menfolk.
      >
      > Arguably what Nietzsche objects to most in the Last Man is his passivity and his unthinking acceptance of the way things are.
      >
      > Both men and women who accept, whether consciously or unconsciously, the traditional idea that men are the one's in command, and women have a duty to serve their menfolk, are being passive and like Nietzsche's Last Man.
      >
      > The men are being passive in two senses – they are uncritically accepting cultural norms and they are sitting on their arses waiting to be served. Women are being passive in the sense of uncritically accepting the cultural norms but are being active in scurrying around after their menfolk attempting to please them at every turn.
      >
      > The photograph of Lou Salome taking a whip to Nietzsche and Paul Ree nicely undermines the cultural norm of male domination.
      >
      > Jim
      > Jim, I avoid Venus/Mars discussions . They go nowhere. I am watching the half pipe competition from Copper Mountain. I raced a top snow boarder through that half pipe some years ago. Besides being illegal it was meaningless to race skiis against snow board. They are different things,just like Venus and Mars. Bill
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Jim,
      > >
      > > All my life I resisted generalizing negatively about men, actually finding the difference interesting. That is until the last few years, whenever I disagreed with some of them and their typical rebuttal to my point of view was that I'm a woman. To disagree with a man does not automatically make me a 'libber', feminist, or bitch. I never used a man's gender against him, but it's getting increasingly difficult to resist doing so.
      > >
      > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
      > >
      > > Mary
      > >
      >
    • William
      Message 43 of 43 , Dec 18, 2011
      • 0 Attachment
        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
        >
        > Mary,
        >
        > Thanks, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!
        >
        > I am not sure of the value of generalising, but I think all of us do it.
        >
        > Whilst there are many exceptions, I think men often, perhaps unconsciously, think women have a duty to look after them (or serve them in the manner of a servant), whether it is their mothers, wives/partners or daughters. And many women, for whatever reason, feel it is their duty to look after (serve) their menfolk.
        >
        > Arguably what Nietzsche objects to most in the Last Man is his passivity and his unthinking acceptance of the way things are.
        >
        > Both men and women who accept, whether consciously or unconsciously, the traditional idea that men are the one's in command, and women have a duty to serve their menfolk, are being passive and like Nietzsche's Last Man.
        >
        > The men are being passive in two senses – they are uncritically accepting cultural norms and they are sitting on their arses waiting to be served. Women are being passive in the sense of uncritically accepting the cultural norms but are being active in scurrying around after their menfolk attempting to please them at every turn.
        >
        > The photograph of Lou Salome taking a whip to Nietzsche and Paul Ree nicely undermines the cultural norm of male domination.
        >
        > Jim
        > Jim, I avoid Venus/Mars discussions . They go nowhere. I am watching the half pipe competition from Copper Mountain. I raced a top snow boarder through that half pipe some years ago. Besides being illegal it was meaningless to race skiis against snow board. They are different things,just like Venus and Mars. Bill
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Jim,
        > >
        > > All my life I resisted generalizing negatively about men, actually finding the difference interesting. That is until the last few years, whenever I disagreed with some of them and their typical rebuttal to my point of view was that I'm a woman. To disagree with a man does not automatically make me a 'libber', feminist, or bitch. I never used a man's gender against him, but it's getting increasingly difficult to resist doing so.
        > >
        > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
        > >
        > > Mary
        > >
        >
      Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.