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Re: Buddhism and Nihilism (was "The phenomenology of evil")

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  • William
    ... I do not think that is the way to handle errant democratic institutions. Here it is better to vote even if it is for the lesser of two negatives. So what
    Message 1 of 38 , Jun 1, 2011
      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@...> wrote:
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      > Tom,
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      > Your conclusion then is all of these have failed to change the state or remove elites from power, so there is nothing to be done? One should merely work to transform oneself into a harmonious whole while further enabling global capitalism? Though we all do the latter, I don't see how doing the former is anything but a technique to assuage our conscience or cope with our compliance.
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      > Mary
      > Mary and Tom, Collectives such as religions only exist if they have members. So don`t join them.Certainly do not support them in their money raising and do not give them any credance in public discourse. I know the most violent thing you can do to a collective is to ignore it.
      I do not think that is the way to handle errant democratic institutions. Here it is better to vote even if it is for the lesser of two negatives. So what do you do when the Jahova Whitnesses come to the door? What do you do when the religous children come to the door selling bake goods? I do not contribute time or money. I do contribute a great amount to a non organised set of people . I lose a tax deduction but I am not contributing to gain tax advantage.
      I have changed my stance toward the myriad of taxing authorities. I used to fight them for every penney but now just attempt to remain very low key in order not to have their notice. I avoid dealing with voluntary bereaucracys , insurance companied and charities just are off my lists unless I can legally harm them. Passive agression is the method I use toward collectives and I only communicate on this and my own site. I have a shredder and use it regularily. I try to be a cul de sac for solicitations and have been consistant for years I get very little correspondance. I very seldom use credit cards and prefer to buy with cash. I never complete surveys and hang up on solicitations both commercial and political. If this sounds the ways of a crumudgeon ,I am having my desired result. Excuse me I have to shread the mail. Bill
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@> wrote:
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      > > Jim
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      > > Of course, so much depends on our semantics. To a certain extent, an anti religion can be considered in many ways a religion itself. I suspect that religions often emerge from new groups that reject the traditional religions as overly legalistic and ritualistic. I suspect this was true of Buddhism in relation to Hinduism, as well as Christianity in relation to Judism. Didn't Nietzsche say Christ was the only Christian? Carl Jung said "I am glad I am not a Jungian, because I can change my mind." I suspect in the early days, religions often tend to be vehicles of self empowerment and awareness;but in time by necesity ally themselves with the political and economic powers and become means of control of the masses by the elites.There is usually a major transition when a religion or school of thought goes from underground to the dogma of the state. When they wewre underground. Christians were often thrown to the lions, but in a few years after Catholicism had become the state religion, they were burning gnostics. A similar fate occured in Marxism going from an underground artsy intellectual thing to the state dogma in Russia etc.
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      > > Peace
      > > Tom
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      > > Peace
      > > Tom
      > > ----- Original Message -----
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      > > Peace
      > > Tom
      > > From: Jim
      > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:02 PM
      > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Buddhism and Nihilism (was "The phenomenology of evil")
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      > > Tom,
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      > > Yes, your characterisations of both how science works and how religions can help individuals develop their characters in positive ways ring true.
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      > > However I don't think Nietzsche recognized this positive aspect of the religious tradition.
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      > > Jim
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    • Mary
      Jim, As I wade through Zizek s How To Read Lacan, I also find this piece helpful. I realize it s a backward process to read Hegel, Lacan, and Marx through
      Message 38 of 38 , Jun 8, 2011
        Jim,

        As I wade through Zizek's How To Read Lacan, I also find this piece helpful. I realize it's a backward process to read Hegel, Lacan, and Marx through Zizek, but it's where I am. Here's another link for you.

        http://www.lacan.com/zizekchro1.htm

        I'm discovering a rich philosophical history behind socialism and delighted to regard Zizek as 'continuing' the work of Sartre.

        Mary

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
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        > Mary,
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        > Thanks for that. Reading a couple of paragraphs of Zizek makes me want to read more. In particular I would need to read more about the "original monstrous cut / excess" before I felt ready to comment on Zizek's thought in this area.
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