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Re: Buddhism and Nihilism (was "The phenomenology of evil")

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  • Mary
    Tom, Your conclusion then is all of these have failed to change the state or remove elites from power, so there is nothing to be done? One should merely work
    Message 1 of 38 , Jun 1, 2011
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      Tom,

      Your conclusion then is all of these have failed to change the state or remove elites from power, so there is nothing to be done? One should merely work to transform oneself into a harmonious whole while further enabling global capitalism? Though we all do the latter, I don't see how doing the former is anything but a technique to assuage our conscience or cope with our compliance.

      Mary

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@...> wrote:
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      > Jim
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      > Of course, so much depends on our semantics. To a certain extent, an anti religion can be considered in many ways a religion itself. I suspect that religions often emerge from new groups that reject the traditional religions as overly legalistic and ritualistic. I suspect this was true of Buddhism in relation to Hinduism, as well as Christianity in relation to Judism. Didn't Nietzsche say Christ was the only Christian? Carl Jung said "I am glad I am not a Jungian, because I can change my mind." I suspect in the early days, religions often tend to be vehicles of self empowerment and awareness;but in time by necesity ally themselves with the political and economic powers and become means of control of the masses by the elites.There is usually a major transition when a religion or school of thought goes from underground to the dogma of the state. When they wewre underground. Christians were often thrown to the lions, but in a few years after Catholicism had become the state religion, they were burning gnostics. A similar fate occured in Marxism going from an underground artsy intellectual thing to the state dogma in Russia etc.
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      > Peace
      > Tom
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      > Peace
      > Tom
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      > Peace
      > Tom
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      > Tom,
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      > Yes, your characterisations of both how science works and how religions can help individuals develop their characters in positive ways ring true.
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      > However I don't think Nietzsche recognized this positive aspect of the religious tradition.
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    • Mary
      Jim, As I wade through Zizek s How To Read Lacan, I also find this piece helpful. I realize it s a backward process to read Hegel, Lacan, and Marx through
      Message 38 of 38 , Jun 8, 2011
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        Jim,

        As I wade through Zizek's How To Read Lacan, I also find this piece helpful. I realize it's a backward process to read Hegel, Lacan, and Marx through Zizek, but it's where I am. Here's another link for you.

        http://www.lacan.com/zizekchro1.htm

        I'm discovering a rich philosophical history behind socialism and delighted to regard Zizek as 'continuing' the work of Sartre.

        Mary

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
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        > Mary,
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        > Thanks for that. Reading a couple of paragraphs of Zizek makes me want to read more. In particular I would need to read more about the "original monstrous cut / excess" before I felt ready to comment on Zizek's thought in this area.
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