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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Mary, Of course, that is far from Zizek s own point or position. Wil ... From: Mary To: existlist Sent:
    Message 1 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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      Mary,

      Of course, that is far from Zizek's own point or position.

      Wil




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      From: Mary <josephson45r@...>
      To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 10:13 am
      Subject: [existlist] The Mask of Multiculturalism





      I doubt there is another more existentially relevant topic than Otherness. Since reading Zizek's characterization of multiculturalism as a politically correct facade, I've been following with interest the mask as it falls off in Europe, most recently in Britain. (The U.S. has been unmasked since our failure to end slavery with our Constitution.) The unlikely coalition between Left and Right concerning immigration is a healthy but potentially volatile move in the right direction. Communities can no longer pretend there are no differences between or within cultures, but punishing through austerity or cultivating fear are not satisfactory solutions. I think it's fairly obscene public policy to allow immigration to run amok then create further divisions. This is blatant irresponsibility. A basic education of existentialism's exploration of the origin and function of difference could have gone a long way in sustaining dialog between cultures. The problem with Fundamentalist and Liberals is—their god hasn't died yet—and they can't move humanely forward until it has.

      Here are merely two articles.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/06/capitalism-multiculturalism-cameron-flawed-analysis?intcmp=239

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/03/immigration-policy-roma-rightwing-europe

      Mary









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    • Jim
      Wil, Mary, Yes - but what is Zizek s position on multiculuralism and immigration? Is he in favour of unlimited immigration and full-strength multiculturalism?
      Message 2 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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        Wil, Mary,

        Yes - but what is Zizek's position on multiculuralism and immigration?

        Is he in favour of unlimited immigration and full-strength multiculturalism?

        Jim




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        > Mary,
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        > Of course, that is far from Zizek's own point or position.
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        > Wil
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        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Mary <josephson45r@...>
        > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 10:13 am
        > Subject: [existlist] The Mask of Multiculturalism
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        > I doubt there is another more existentially relevant topic than Otherness. Since reading Zizek's characterization of multiculturalism as a politically correct facade, I've been following with interest the mask as it falls off in Europe, most recently in Britain. (The U.S. has been unmasked since our failure to end slavery with our Constitution.) The unlikely coalition between Left and Right concerning immigration is a healthy but potentially volatile move in the right direction. Communities can no longer pretend there are no differences between or within cultures, but punishing through austerity or cultivating fear are not satisfactory solutions. I think it's fairly obscene public policy to allow immigration to run amok then create further divisions. This is blatant irresponsibility. A basic education of existentialism's exploration of the origin and function of difference could have gone a long way in sustaining dialog between cultures. The problem with Fundamentalist and Liberals is—their god hasn't died yet—and they can't move humanely forward until it has.
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        > Here are merely two articles.
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        > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/06/capitalism-multiculturalism-cameron-flawed-analysis?intcmp=239
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        > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/03/immigration-policy-roma-rightwing-europe
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        > Mary
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      • Jim
        It seems to me that the issue of multiculturalism is different from the issue of immigration policy. As I have said before on this list, I am against unlimited
        Message 3 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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          It seems to me that the issue of multiculturalism is different from the issue of immigration policy.

          As I have said before on this list, I am against unlimited immigration, as large movements of population can be destabilising to a country, especially one with a weak economy.

          I am generally in favour of multiculturalism, although I am against religious schools – whether Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Christian.

          Rather inconsistently our Prime Minister David Cameron seems to be in favour of religious schools but against multiculturalism.

          Generally my reaction to Cameron's speech matches that of The Independent's Yasmin Aibhai-Brown writing today. See:

          http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-david-camerons-message-is-that-muslims-are-not-wanted-2206381.html

          Jim
        • Mary
          Being neither discursive, nor attempting to represent a particular philosopher s positiions, I simply intended to stimulate a discussion about a matter which
          Message 4 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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            Being neither discursive, nor attempting to represent a particular philosopher's positiions, I simply intended to stimulate a discussion about a matter which affects everyone. Alterity is a fundamental obstacle to peace and prosperity. The idea of confronting one's own racism and beliefs before projecting or imposing tolerance on others seems wise. Difference identity and cooperation are tau(gh)t. The excluded perpetually serve to increase the ranks of the included, unless of course, there is a powerful agenda to the contrary.

            Thanks for your input,
            Mary


            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
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            > It seems to me that the issue of multiculturalism is different from the issue of immigration policy.
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            > As I have said before on this list, I am against unlimited immigration, as large movements of population can be destabilising to a country, especially one with a weak economy.
            >
            > I am generally in favour of multiculturalism, although I am against religious schools – whether Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Christian.
            >
            > Rather inconsistently our Prime Minister David Cameron seems to be in favour of religious schools but against multiculturalism.
            >
            > Generally my reaction to Cameron's speech matches that of The Independent's Yasmin Aibhai-Brown writing today. See:
            >
            > http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-david-camerons-message-is-that-muslims-are-not-wanted-2206381.html
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            > Jim
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          • eupraxis@aol.com
            MAry, Actually, I would contend that alterity is the only way out of the obstacle of otherness, if it is appreciated in its full breadth and significance.
            Message 5 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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              MAry,

              Actually, I would contend that alterity is the only way out of the obstacle of otherness, if it is appreciated in its full breadth and significance. Socialism is the Weltanschauung of a proper alterity. "Objectivism" (Ayn Rand) is its defacement and repression.

              Wil


              -----Original Message-----
              From: Mary <josephson45r@...>
              To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 1:30 pm
              Subject: [existlist] Re: The Mask of Multiculturalism





              Being neither discursive, nor attempting to represent a particular philosopher's positiions, I simply intended to stimulate a discussion about a matter which affects everyone. Alterity is a fundamental obstacle to peace and prosperity. The idea of confronting one's own racism and beliefs before projecting or imposing tolerance on others seems wise. Difference identity and cooperation are tau(gh)t. The excluded perpetually serve to increase the ranks of the included, unless of course, there is a powerful agenda to the contrary.

              Thanks for your input,
              Mary

              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
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              > It seems to me that the issue of multiculturalism is different from the issue of immigration policy.
              >
              > As I have said before on this list, I am against unlimited immigration, as large movements of population can be destabilising to a country, especially one with a weak economy.
              >
              > I am generally in favour of multiculturalism, although I am against religious schools – whether Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Christian.
              >
              > Rather inconsistently our Prime Minister David Cameron seems to be in favour of religious schools but against multiculturalism.
              >
              > Generally my reaction to Cameron's speech matches that of The Independent's Yasmin Aibhai-Brown writing today. See:
              >
              > http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-david-camerons-message-is-that-muslims-are-not-wanted-2206381.html
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              > Jim
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            • Mary
              Wil, Yes, I do see how this threads throughout Zizek s works, at least those I ve read. I can appreciate how difference is protected by economic parity to
              Message 6 of 7 , Feb 7, 2011
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                Wil,

                Yes, I do see how this threads throughout Zizek's works, at least those I've read. I can appreciate how difference is 'protected' by economic parity to some degree. But psychologically, at the most intimate level and within families, alterity often divides rather than unites. Suppose that's how it's meant to be. There is a time to move along.

                Mary

                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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                > MAry,
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                > Actually, I would contend that alterity is the only way out of the obstacle of otherness, if it is appreciated in its full breadth and significance. Socialism is the Weltanschauung of a proper alterity. "Objectivism" (Ayn Rand) is its defacement and repression.
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                > Wil
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                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Mary <josephson45r@...>
                > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 1:30 pm
                > Subject: [existlist] Re: The Mask of Multiculturalism
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                > Being neither discursive, nor attempting to represent a particular philosopher's positiions, I simply intended to stimulate a discussion about a matter which affects everyone. Alterity is a fundamental obstacle to peace and prosperity. The idea of confronting one's own racism and beliefs before projecting or imposing tolerance on others seems wise. Difference identity and cooperation are tau(gh)t. The excluded perpetually serve to increase the ranks of the included, unless of course, there is a powerful agenda to the contrary.
                >
                > Thanks for your input,
                > Mary
                >
                > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jjimstuart1@> wrote:
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                > > It seems to me that the issue of multiculturalism is different from the issue of immigration policy.
                > >
                > > As I have said before on this list, I am against unlimited immigration, as large movements of population can be destabilising to a country, especially one with a weak economy.
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                > > I am generally in favour of multiculturalism, although I am against religious schools – whether Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Christian.
                > >
                > > Rather inconsistently our Prime Minister David Cameron seems to be in favour of religious schools but against multiculturalism.
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                > > Generally my reaction to Cameron's speech matches that of The Independent's Yasmin Aibhai-Brown writing today. See:
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                > > http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-david-camerons-message-is-that-muslims-are-not-wanted-2206381.html
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                > > Jim
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