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Re: Melville & Nietzsche

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  • William
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 6, 2010
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      > I didn't care for the piece. The writer was incorrect about Nietzsche, about what decadence and nihilism are, about Nietzsche's writing about them, about Melville's view of society, and most of all on the prospect (or possibility) of soccer moms in the burbs escaping nihilism -- seeing as they are nihilism, as well as the "Last Man" incarnate.
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      > Wil
      > Wil, I see your point as the soccer moms just remind me of Palin and the beauty queen mythology. There is great plasticity in the burbs but also there is an abundant life style that rivals the Minoan of many centuries ago. Yesterday I noted the Minoan influence in The Cheesecake Factory decor. Sure it is plastic but the food is good and abundant. Abundance seems a good retort to war and that seems what our CIA sponsered world crusade is about. I do not discount materialism as having place and relevance. Bill
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      > I've read the article, several readers' responses, and i especially enjoyed the last three paragraphs. They seem to nicely mesh with two of our recent topics, a cultural heritage and the impossibility of universality. Not being expert on Melville or Nietzsche, I'll leave that for others to comment. The notion that we can live and inspire uniquely is very existential.
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    • eupraxis@aol.com
      Having grown up in the burbs, my only reminiscence is -- to quote Conrad -- Oh, the horror! Wil ... From: William To:
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 6, 2010
        Having grown up in the burbs, my only reminiscence is -- to quote Conrad -- "Oh, the horror!"

        Wil


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        From: William <v.valleywestdental@...>
        To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:46 pm
        Subject: [existlist] Re: Melville & Nietzsche







        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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        > I didn't care for the piece. The writer was incorrect about Nietzsche, about what decadence and nihilism are, about Nietzsche's writing about them, about Melville's view of society, and most of all on the prospect (or possibility) of soccer moms in the burbs escaping nihilism -- seeing as they are nihilism, as well as the "Last Man" incarnate.
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        > Wil
        > Wil, I see your point as the soccer moms just remind me of Palin and the beauty queen mythology. There is great plasticity in the burbs but also there is an abundant life style that rivals the Minoan of many centuries ago. Yesterday I noted the Minoan influence in The Cheesecake Factory decor. Sure it is plastic but the food is good and abundant. Abundance seems a good retort to war and that seems what our CIA sponsered world crusade is about. I do not discount materialism as having place and relevance. Bill
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        > From: Mary <josephson45r@...>
        > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:09 pm
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        > I've read the article, several readers' responses, and i especially enjoyed the last three paragraphs. They seem to nicely mesh with two of our recent topics, a cultural heritage and the impossibility of universality. Not being expert on Melville or Nietzsche, I'll leave that for others to comment. The notion that we can live and inspire uniquely is very existential.
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      • William
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 6, 2010
          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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          > Having grown up in the burbs, my only reminiscence is -- to quote Conrad -- "Oh, the horror!"
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          > Wil
          > Wil, I have done burb time . I was not kidding about the Cheesecake Factory. On the ceiling is a huge Minoan fresco. They were hedonists and I respond to such opulance. In our conflicts I am sure you have noticed I am anything but a scarcity socialist. In fact if you guys would opt for a little better life style I would consider greater interest. Now the wife and I are about to view Jepardy, not great theatre or high intellectualism but a great general knowledge source. Who cares where ones knowledge comes from,when you are dead all that thinking is just gone.I plan to be burned and will go for the record for time until the head pops. Perhaps I will have the ashes dumped in the mall lagoon right in front of Joes Crab Shack. Of course I will be fined for littering but I just won`t care. Bill
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          > From: William <v.valleywestdental@...>
          > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
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          > > I didn't care for the piece. The writer was incorrect about Nietzsche, about what decadence and nihilism are, about Nietzsche's writing about them, about Melville's view of society, and most of all on the prospect (or possibility) of soccer moms in the burbs escaping nihilism -- seeing as they are nihilism, as well as the "Last Man" incarnate.
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          > > Wil, I see your point as the soccer moms just remind me of Palin and the beauty queen mythology. There is great plasticity in the burbs but also there is an abundant life style that rivals the Minoan of many centuries ago. Yesterday I noted the Minoan influence in The Cheesecake Factory decor. Sure it is plastic but the food is good and abundant. Abundance seems a good retort to war and that seems what our CIA sponsered world crusade is about. I do not discount materialism as having place and relevance. Bill
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          > > From: Mary <josephson45r@>
          > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
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        • Mary
          I had the privilege during my teens of being raised in the country by foster parents who provided the opportunity of communing with nature, access to both
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 6, 2010
            I had the privilege during my teens of being raised in the country by foster parents who provided the opportunity of communing with nature, access to both cultural and home(l)y activities, and an introduction to socialism. My reading material was not censored, and I learned of their experiences in labor organizing. I will not disparage city, suburb, or countryside or mock loving parents (poorly educated or otherwise). Neither will I take a stance such as Assange's, that of one who is absolutely certain his actions will have their intended consequences. They were generous people who opened their home to unfortunate children, and I have since learned my experience was fortunately unique. Such people are found anywhere, of any political or economic persuasion. My adventures in parenting have left me convinced that our children wonderfully break our examples. Mary

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            > > Having grown up in the burbs, my only reminiscence is -- to quote Conrad -- "Oh, the horror!"
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            > > Wil
            > > Wil, I have done burb time . I was not kidding about the Cheesecake Factory. On the ceiling is a huge Minoan fresco. They were hedonists and I respond to such opulance. In our conflicts I am sure you have noticed I am anything but a scarcity socialist. In fact if you guys would opt for a little better life style I would consider greater interest. Now the wife and I are about to view Jepardy, not great theatre or high intellectualism but a great general knowledge source. Who cares where ones knowledge comes from,when you are dead all that thinking is just gone.I plan to be burned and will go for the record for time until the head pops. Perhaps I will have the ashes dumped in the mall lagoon right in front of Joes Crab Shack. Of course I will be fined for littering but I just won`t care. Bill
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            > > From: William <v.valleywestdental@>
            > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:46 pm
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            > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@ wrote:
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            > > > I didn't care for the piece. The writer was incorrect about Nietzsche, about what decadence and nihilism are, about Nietzsche's writing about them, about Melville's view of society, and most of all on the prospect (or possibility) of soccer moms in the burbs escaping nihilism -- seeing as they are nihilism, as well as the "Last Man" incarnate.
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            > > > Wil, I see your point as the soccer moms just remind me of Palin and the beauty queen mythology. There is great plasticity in the burbs but also there is an abundant life style that rivals the Minoan of many centuries ago. Yesterday I noted the Minoan influence in The Cheesecake Factory decor. Sure it is plastic but the food is good and abundant. Abundance seems a good retort to war and that seems what our CIA sponsered world crusade is about. I do not discount materialism as having place and relevance. Bill
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            > > > From: Mary <josephson45r@>
            > > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:09 pm
            > > > Subject: [existlist] Melville & Nietzsche
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          • William
            ... Yesterday I listened to the young guy who owns Google. His net worth is obscene. These kind of people and stories remind me of the dot com bubble. It
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 6, 2010
              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@...> wrote:
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              >Mary, Assange is an enigma to me. I have seldom seen anyone so completely at difference from so many people. Some say he is a master criminal and others say he makes no difference. Now they claim he is a sex criminal. Where does his money come from? How does he finance bunkers of computers underground?
              Yesterday I listened to the young guy who owns Google. His net worth is obscene. These kind of people and stories remind me of the dot com bubble. It happned and it burst and many many people supposidly were damaged. I will not buy internet stocks because I do not know what tangible assets are behind them.If Richardson can run roughshod over Yahoo and our fearless leaders he seems in a league with these unvaluable giants of personal fantasia.
              I am waiting to hear Obama and hope he will say something of substance. That CSW states this media is passe really does not add to any confidence what we write here makes a damn bit of difference. If it is just finger time, finger candy, like solitare, to pass time and calm a jangled mind ,I guess I will live with that. It all just adds to the absurdity and I suppose we are in that business.
              Then again an astronamer says he can prove much greater total mass numbers in the universe due to red dwarfs . That could make the universe three to four times larger than thought. It is a contrary time that we may not live to decipher. Hell, I did not know Melvill had anything to do with FN. Bill
              > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <v.valleywestdental@> wrote:
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              > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@ wrote:
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              > > > Having grown up in the burbs, my only reminiscence is -- to quote Conrad -- "Oh, the horror!"
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              > > > Wil
              > > > Wil, I have done burb time . I was not kidding about the Cheesecake Factory. On the ceiling is a huge Minoan fresco. They were hedonists and I respond to such opulance. In our conflicts I am sure you have noticed I am anything but a scarcity socialist. In fact if you guys would opt for a little better life style I would consider greater interest. Now the wife and I are about to view Jepardy, not great theatre or high intellectualism but a great general knowledge source. Who cares where ones knowledge comes from,when you are dead all that thinking is just gone.I plan to be burned and will go for the record for time until the head pops. Perhaps I will have the ashes dumped in the mall lagoon right in front of Joes Crab Shack. Of course I will be fined for littering but I just won`t care. Bill
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              > > > From: William <v.valleywestdental@>
              > > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:46 pm
              > > > Subject: [existlist] Re: Melville & Nietzsche
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              > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@ wrote:
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              > > > > I didn't care for the piece. The writer was incorrect about Nietzsche, about what decadence and nihilism are, about Nietzsche's writing about them, about Melville's view of society, and most of all on the prospect (or possibility) of soccer moms in the burbs escaping nihilism -- seeing as they are nihilism, as well as the "Last Man" incarnate.
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              > > > > Wil, I see your point as the soccer moms just remind me of Palin and the beauty queen mythology. There is great plasticity in the burbs but also there is an abundant life style that rivals the Minoan of many centuries ago. Yesterday I noted the Minoan influence in The Cheesecake Factory decor. Sure it is plastic but the food is good and abundant. Abundance seems a good retort to war and that seems what our CIA sponsered world crusade is about. I do not discount materialism as having place and relevance. Bill
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              > > > > From: Mary <josephson45r@>
              > > > > To: existlist <existlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 2:09 pm
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            • Mary
              Bill, we don t actually know that he did except in the mind of Sean D. Kelly. :) Mary ... Hell, I did not know Melvill had anything to do with FN.
              Message 6 of 11 , Dec 7, 2010
                Bill, we don't actually know that he did except in the mind of Sean D. Kelly. :) Mary

                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <v.valleywestdental@...> wrote:

                Hell, I did not know Melvill had anything to do with FN.
              • William
                Message 7 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
                  --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <josephson45r@...> wrote:
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                  > Bill, we don't actually know that he did except in the mind of Sean D. Kelly. :) Mary
                  > Mary, So true, and I will not make it an article of faith .Bill
                  > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <v.valleywestdental@> wrote:
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                  > Hell, I did not know Melvill had anything to do with FN.
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