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Re: [existlist] Property is theft

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  • Brent Irvine
    I d agree that the Federal minimum wage (US$7/hr) isn t enough to support a family - and most likely people would work 2 jobs to make enough - or have one with
    Message 1 of 17 , Jul 1, 2010
      I'd agree that the Federal minimum wage (US$7/hr) isn't enough to support a family - and most likely people would work 2 jobs to make enough - or have one with a lot of overtime. There are a lot of minimum wage jobs, but I don't know what the statistics are - I am under the impression that even most fast-food jobs pay better than that so in effect the US doesn't have one. Mostly. The Median wage is about $15-20/hr and depending upon where you are, it may or may not be enough to live modestly if you had a family with one income. Most every family in the US has 2 incomes because it is economically required. I believe the UK is in a similar situation, too.

      I think the employment statistics are useful for measuring the economy and a touchstone on how healthy it may be. It is of little use to anyone beyond that - as you said individuals situation may not be reflected an abstract numbers like that. The same way someone who broke his or her arm on VE Day might not view it in the same light as the majority of people.

      Though, I would say we *are* talking quite abstractly at the moment.

      From: Herman <hhofmeister@...>
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 6:49:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Property is theft

      Thanks Brent,

      On 2 July 2010 08:18, Brent Irvine <brent.irvine@...> wrote:
      > I see your point. Though I stumbled over the word "representative" to mean "typical" and the unemployed even taken at the broadest measure (16%) instead of the more narrow official (10%) this means that at least 84% of the people of adult age who want to work are employed fully (not underemployed, or part time when they want full time). The company I work for went through 50%(!) redundancies during the downturn, as well. During more "normal" times, the redundancies wouldn't have been as large (though every few years there are lay offs), and the time to get another job wouldn't have been long.
      > I suppose if one were to judge a society by the way it deals with its least ... well this is something that we're struggling with in the US. The Senate keeps approving extensions of unemployment benefits - and while it certainly won't be enough to keep a family afloat, will assure groceries at the very least.

      The information might have been totally incorrect, but I recall seeing
      a documentary which showed that the minimum wage in the various states
      can not sustain a family unless multiple jobs are being worked. I
      wonder how this fits in with the unemployment statistics? If you have
      a job, and still can't make basic ends meet, what use are the
      employment statistics?


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