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Re: [existlist] Re: Confabulation

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  • Herman
    Hi Louise, ... Just who is having who here? Polly
    Message 1 of 35 , Jun 2, 2010
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      Hi Louise,

      On 3 June 2010 10:13, fleeting_return <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Herman <hhofmeister@...> wrote:
      >>
      >> Hi All,
      >>
      >> I recently underwent yet another two-yearly colonoscopy. I have them
      >> regularly because there is a strong family history of bowel cancer,
      >> three dead, one in remission. As I lay on the operating table, I
      >> looked and listened attentively while the pushes and pokes nudged me
      >> into a desirable position. A gentle voice warned me that I was about
      >> to feel a sting, the intravenous line for the general anesthetic was
      >> about to be inserted. As I felt the sting, I closed my eyes, and
      >> continued to pay careful attention to the clang of the operating
      >> theatre. I felt a coldness on my buttock, where the hospital gown had
      >> slipped downward, while the surgeon and a nurse were carried on their
      >> discussion behind me, unphased . Someone covered me up again, and I
      >> opened up my eyes to see a few uniforms milling close in front of me.
      >> I became aware of a pain in my face, as the conversations in the room
      >> carried on. I looked around and saw the clock. Twelve o'clock! It hit
      >> me like a brick, I was not in the room I believed I was in, I was not
      >> with the people I thought I was with, there was a hose stuck down my
      >> nose, and 40 minutes of nothing had been confabulated into seamless
      >> continuity.
      >>
      >> I laughed at my roaring fart (the bowel is inflated with air to ease
      >> inspection) and the monstrous objections I had to contemplating my own
      >> absence.
      >>
      >
      > Why monstrous?  Your own presence is the only one you have.  L.
      >

      Just who is having who here?

      Polly
    • fleeting_return
      Christopher, I appreciate the suggestion. Searching in library catalogues, and on Amazon, I cannot find this particular title. Is it a short story? Louise
      Message 35 of 35 , Jun 8, 2010
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        Christopher,

        I appreciate the suggestion. Searching in library catalogues, and on Amazon, I cannot find this particular title. Is it a short story?

        Louise

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, ccorey@... wrote:
        >
        > I would recommend "The Life of Ivan" by Tolstoy if you haven't read it in context to your current condition of seeming solidity...just a thought as I sometimes monitor the existential-list serve dialogue but rarely have the time to keep up general responses with all my other dialogues...hopefully Im not too far off point here
        >
        > regards,
        >
        > -c-
        >
        > Christopher Corey
        > Freedom is Existence
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "fleeting_return" <hecubatoher@...>
        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2010 5:58:54 PM
        > Subject: [existlist] Re: More on material objects and material subjects
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        > Jim,
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        > Yes, my thoughts, being quite compressed and incipient, have given the impression that I believe character and aesthetic productions to be closely linked, and I would agree that the situation is much more complicated than that. The same may be true of my own statements in relation to "the bodily nature of existence". As my health seems to be gradually improving at present, it may be that a more various awareness - involving the nebulous and the physical together - will return, and then I might have some sense that I do definitely recognise what I am talking about.
        >
        > Louise
        >
        > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com , "Jim" <jjimstuart1@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Louise,
        > >
        > > You put forward some significant considerations, which I need to think through.
        > >
        > > I agree that one can get to know another's character to a reasonable degree without meeting them in the flesh.
        > >
        > > Certainly physical appearance is one thing, and character another, although I do think one can get some understanding of another's character from their facial expressions and bodily movements.
        > >
        > > Suppose you and I were to arrange to meet, and we spend a couple of hours talking before departing. Would our assessments of the other's character change? Perhaps, perhaps not.
        > >
        > > I do think those who know me best are those you see me every day.
        > >
        > > You write:
        > >
        > > "I've just been reconsidering the term, "material subject", which never seemed quite right. It is too solid a phrase, given the immateriality of the self, which I think to be a mental construct, from the standpoint of ideas an abstraction, and from the standpoint of myth a person. The self does rely on the material body for its genesis and continuance, but to materialise the subject is to thrust the bodily nature of existence too far into the foreground."
        > >
        > > I think "the bodily nature of existence" is more in the foreground for me than it is for you.
        > >
        > > My character is manifested in the words I say, write or type, and in my actions, my behaviour.
        > >
        > > Perhaps by focussing on the great writers or composers of times past, we are lead astray. It is surely not correct to assess an artist's character by his works alone. Tolstoy supposed wrote eloquently about love, but he did not treat his wife well. (So I have heard.)
        > >
        > > These are very much first thoughts on what you have written. I may change my mind on some of this.
        > >
        > > Jim
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