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  • William
    ... I have been watching the history of the ENRON scandle. It was the end game of unfettered capital greed. The rolling blackouts in California were no more
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 1, 2010
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      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Herman <hhofmeister@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Bill,
      >
      > On 27 May 2010 01:32, William <v.valleywestdental@...> wrote:
      >
      > > I do know that raw capitalism models survivalist natural situations. The leader of the pride eats first. If you had a huge standing military and were the only reliable order on this rock your interests could be more effective in priceing petroleum. You are not in that position and you pay. I do not expect you to like it  but if you wish to ride you will fork  over and clam up.
      > >  Now I greatly suspect you are a friend of BP. If you will not admit your sex I doubt you will reveal anything about your business associations. Bp will be painted the villian and its survival is certainly in jepardy. Another aspect of survivalist capitalism is the survival of the fittest and >failure means death and dislocation.
      >
      > I have been thinking some more about what you wrote. Not so much about
      > your comments on BP, because focusing on BP alone ignores the obvious
      > fact that Halliburton and TransOcean are also implicated. My thoughts
      > were more about capitalism. I had to laugh when I realised that
      > capitalism turns out to be a more mystical theory than any other.
      >
      > While the appearance is that capitalism is modeled on the natural
      > order, nothing is further from the truth. In the natural order there
      > is growth and decline, arising and ceasing. The longer the time
      > period used to sample data in the natural order, it is evident that
      > there is nothing that lasts, in the long term there neither is
      > increase, or loss. This is in stark contrast to the capitalist
      > assertions that a gain, a profit, is to be made, out there. Perhaps
      > that is true for one year or ten, if you squint a bit and do not
      > account for every consequence. But the fact is that in the long run,
      > there is nothing that survives to enjoy its previous contrivances
      >
      > In the natural order life is followed by death, growth by decay.
      > Capitalism is mysticism.
      >
      >
      > Polly
      >Herman, The competition that results in capitalism seems a survival mechanism playing back against the system. The idea is to get a great deal of goods and services without great outlay.
      I have been watching the history of the ENRON scandle. It was the end game of unfettered capital greed. The rolling blackouts in California were no more than an audit mechanism by the corporation. Barnum ,a cynic ,equil to Schopenour, knew the rank and file were programmed to submit and preform. It is survival of the most devious .
      If we look to Europe we see the failure of the kinder,gentler system. Six weeks of paid vacation just does not feed the bull dog. The truly working system employs both carrot and stick to goad the masses into production. I watched Japan kill two generations of workers with stress and now the contageon is loosed on China. We have two generations ,X and Millenial, that are real wise guys. They all play like little mafiosos and refuse to work except in the most personally advantageous of circumstances. Ergo, 10% enemployment. Indeed capitalism is a trust racket but over the ages it has been the only system that has worked. The suckers bite and the anglers profit. It is hateful and destructive but it culls the heard.
      Having played the game hard and dirty for fifty years I am shelled. To hate capitalism is most easy just as it is easy to detest life itself. I want to set and watch for a few years before I croak but it looks like I will toil until I take the dirt bath. That is why I will to be cremated. Alone
    • tom
      Bill, I think we are in agreement that choosing between capitalism and socialism is like choosing between the devil and the deep sea. In an ideal world, we
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 1, 2010
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        Bill,


        I think we are in agreement that choosing between capitalism and socialism is like choosing between the devil and the deep sea. In an ideal world, we could achieve a balance, but historically the underdog becomes the top dog etc. Without unions, the corporations have serfs;but with unions a privileged class is created the cost of which is borne by many who have to buy their products or services with surf wages. In the US, offshoring has eliminated a huge number of the high paying union jobs in autos, steel, and rubber; but the growth of the police state has added many well paying union jobs as cops, and jailers.

        Peace,
        Tom

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: William
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:45 AM
        Subject: [existlist] Re: Economics 101





        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Herman <hhofmeister@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Bill,
        >
        > On 27 May 2010 01:32, William <v.valleywestdental@...> wrote:
        >
        > > I do know that raw capitalism models survivalist natural situations. The leader of the pride eats first. If you had a huge standing military and were the only reliable order on this rock your interests could be more effective in priceing petroleum. You are not in that position and you pay. I do not expect you to like it but if you wish to ride you will fork over and clam up.
        > > Now I greatly suspect you are a friend of BP. If you will not admit your sex I doubt you will reveal anything about your business associations. Bp will be painted the villian and its survival is certainly in jepardy. Another aspect of survivalist capitalism is the survival of the fittest and >failure means death and dislocation.
        >
        > I have been thinking some more about what you wrote. Not so much about
        > your comments on BP, because focusing on BP alone ignores the obvious
        > fact that Halliburton and TransOcean are also implicated. My thoughts
        > were more about capitalism. I had to laugh when I realised that
        > capitalism turns out to be a more mystical theory than any other.
        >
        > While the appearance is that capitalism is modeled on the natural
        > order, nothing is further from the truth. In the natural order there
        > is growth and decline, arising and ceasing. The longer the time
        > period used to sample data in the natural order, it is evident that
        > there is nothing that lasts, in the long term there neither is
        > increase, or loss. This is in stark contrast to the capitalist
        > assertions that a gain, a profit, is to be made, out there. Perhaps
        > that is true for one year or ten, if you squint a bit and do not
        > account for every consequence. But the fact is that in the long run,
        > there is nothing that survives to enjoy its previous contrivances
        >
        > In the natural order life is followed by death, growth by decay.
        > Capitalism is mysticism.
        >
        >
        > Polly
        >Herman, The competition that results in capitalism seems a survival mechanism playing back against the system. The idea is to get a great deal of goods and services without great outlay.
        I have been watching the history of the ENRON scandle. It was the end game of unfettered capital greed. The rolling blackouts in California were no more than an audit mechanism by the corporation. Barnum ,a cynic ,equil to Schopenour, knew the rank and file were programmed to submit and preform. It is survival of the most devious .
        If we look to Europe we see the failure of the kinder,gentler system. Six weeks of paid vacation just does not feed the bull dog. The truly working system employs both carrot and stick to goad the masses into production. I watched Japan kill two generations of workers with stress and now the contageon is loosed on China. We have two generations ,X and Millenial, that are real wise guys. They all play like little mafiosos and refuse to work except in the most personally advantageous of circumstances. Ergo, 10% enemployment. Indeed capitalism is a trust racket but over the ages it has been the only system that has worked. The suckers bite and the anglers profit. It is hateful and destructive but it culls the heard.
        Having played the game hard and dirty for fifty years I am shelled. To hate capitalism is most easy just as it is easy to detest life itself. I want to set and watch for a few years before I croak but it looks like I will toil until I take the dirt bath. That is why I will to be cremated. Alone





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