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Re: [existlist] Re: Where's the boundary?

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  • Herman
    Hi Gordon, Hb3g and all, ... Like you, Gordon, I m only a newbie here. And I notice that, like me, you do not use the word freedom, as Hb3g does, but
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 3, 2010
      Hi Gordon, Hb3g and all,

      On 2 March 2010 10:15, Gordon LeVasseur Jr <gordonlevasseur@...> wrote:
      > I propose that people seek to control themselves or others because so
      > much of life is uncertain. Control holds a bit of that uncertainty at
      > bay. Everything is uncertain, even this statement. Being tossed about
      > on the tide is a good analogy. To go with that analogy, I don't want
      > to tread water or seek solid ground. I want to develop gills and learn
      > to swim. Uncertainty and meaninglessness prevail. I need to live with
      > it just a I live with gravity. It is a natural fact of life here.
      >

      Like you, Gordon, I'm only a newbie here. And I notice that, like me,
      you do not use the word freedom, as Hb3g does, but uncertainty. I
      would be interested to read from anyone how in practice uncertainty is
      different to freedom.

      Polly





      > On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Herman wrote:
      >
      >> HI Mary,
      >>
      >> On 27 February 2010 07:01, Mary <josephson45r@...> wrote:
      >> > Polly, perhaps we can start by asking why we exert power over
      >> others. Is it because we consider others as separate, or because we
      >> realize they aren't? We seek to control our environment.
      >>
      >> Your questions capture the extreme difficulty of the subject. I agree
      >> that we seek to control our environment, and ourselves as part of
      >> that. I guess that the most basic boundary that we realise is between
      >> the way things are, and the way we would like them to be. The Other is
      >> firstly the wished for that isn't there. We seek to exercise control
      >> over what is there, because it is unsatisfactory. But as long as we
      >> seek to control, we place ourselves fundamentally at odds with the way
      >> things are, and we are doomed to suffer being alienated from the world
      >> that spawns us. Craving splits the world into self/other.
      >>
      >> But then again, blind unity with and acceptance of fate renders one
      >> akin to the flotsam and jetsam that is tossed by the prevailing tide,
      >> which is what prompts us to imagine a different world in the first
      >> place, and we're back on the merry go round.
      >>
      >> What do you think?
      >>
      >> Polly
      >>
      >> Mary
      >> >
      >> > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Herman <hhofmeister@...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > What is clear is that self, other and not-self, though
      >> > spatially distinct and separate, can causally be extensions of each
      >> > other.
      >> >
      >> > Where to go next, or do we start again?
      >> >
      >> >
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