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Re: [existlist] Question of coherence

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  • tom
    Wil, I certainly agree with the idea of corporations not being given the rights of people. I heard recently the idea that 2 things are wrong, treating people
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      Wil,

      I certainly agree with the idea of corporations not being given the rights of people. I heard recently the idea that 2 things are wrong, treating people liker things,slavery, treating things as people, corporations beiong covered by the 14th amendment etc.

      Peace,
      Tom
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      From: eupraxis@...
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:15 PM
      Subject: Re: [existlist] Question of coherence




      Louise,

      With all due respect, I really have no desire to renew any of this topic. To be brief, though, I consider Lenin to be a great figure in history, and I think the Revolution was a great event, but I reject Stalin and everything associated with him. Most associate the term "communist" with Stalinism, even though the latter is more of a piece with Asiatic despotism. To use the term, therefore, would be grossly misleading. As for the fate of the tsar and his consort, I have already answered that many times.

      As for what a social-democrat is, it is simply one who believes in a socialist state with democratic and representational guarantees, where corporations are not accorded the status of people, and where the common weal trumps corporate greed.

      Wil

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      From: fleeting_return <hecubatoher@...>
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:42 pm
      Subject: [existlist] Question of coherence

      Wil,

      For a long time your politics have been a puzzle to me. You have been quite clear in recent statement about your claimed position - in post 50691, for instance, telling the group that you are "not a defender of Sovietism", but rather "a social democrat not a communist."

      I ask you explicitly, then, on this occasion: in what respect is it coherent for you to defend the cold-blooded killing of the Russian Tsar and Tsarina in 1917? Your comment [50371] that "you may view the execution of the heirs to the throne as sad" is chilling in its astonishing insouciance, considering your characteristic beliefs about what is criminal in politcs. To describe the butchery of children in a cellar as an execution is a euphemism at least as egregious as the cool bureaucratic language of "collateral damage". To invoke "the necessity of such things in a revolution to end the Aristocracy" only compounds this impression. Your faith in dialectical process blinds you to the inhumanity of your own sentiments. This is an old story, and it laid the foundations for the horrors of the Stalinist era. How you maintain the credibility of your position as a social democrat is beyond me. Do you really think that violent revolution is compa tible with democratic process?

      Louise

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