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  • William
    Thank you Tom for the excellent research. I have read your post three times but it is so damn cold here it takes a little more for comprehension. I have read
    Message 1 of 9 , Jan 4, 2010
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      Thank you Tom for the excellent research. I have read your post three times but it is so damn cold here it takes a little more for comprehension. I have read that Lorenz research and thought it base behavorism and ingenous research. I did not know Leary had worked in that area.
      Like global warming is a misnomer , whoever labeled imprinting a core belief just blew it. It seems it is a genetically mediated chemical order and has nothing to do with belief systems.
      It is such a simple and failful system that its simplicity hints at the basic fight or flight systems of simple multicellular organisms. Just a simple neural circuit with on choice gate inserted in the loop.
      I have lived with quite enough core beliefs. There is no grand simplicity there just bloated ego and self deception. Core believers should be excoriated and returned to the herd from which they came. Bill
    • tom
      Bill, Who classified imprinting theory as a core belief? I have read a number of times Leary claim that the most advantageous way to trip is to do so in a
      Message 2 of 9 , Jan 4, 2010
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        Bill,

        Who classified imprinting theory as a core belief? I have read a number of times Leary claim that the most advantageous way to trip is to do so in a setting and with a purpose to reimprint; and that too oftemn in practice people are imprinting the old imprint even deeper.

        Tom
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        From: William
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:44 PM
        Subject: [existlist] Core beliefs



        Thank you Tom for the excellent research. I have read your post three times but it is so damn cold here it takes a little more for comprehension. I have read that Lorenz research and thought it base behavorism and ingenous research. I did not know Leary had worked in that area.
        Like global warming is a misnomer , whoever labeled imprinting a core belief just blew it. It seems it is a genetically mediated chemical order and has nothing to do with belief systems.
        It is such a simple and failful system that its simplicity hints at the basic fight or flight systems of simple multicellular organisms. Just a simple neural circuit with on choice gate inserted in the loop.
        I have lived with quite enough core beliefs. There is no grand simplicity there just bloated ego and self deception. Core believers should be excoriated and returned to the herd from which they came. Bill





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      • Mary
        Tom, I m only guessing, but I think Bill inferred from this: Leary identified several significant developmental critical periods in human beings. Imprints
        Message 3 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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          Tom, I'm only guessing, but I think Bill inferred from this:

          "Leary identified several significant developmental critical periods in human beings. Imprints established during these periods established core beliefs that shaped the personality and intelligence of the individual."

          The individual is imprinted by the herd or re-imprinted by the altered experience, and core beliefs are subsequently created or recreated. I think it's important to acknowledge that whether we attribute imprint to nature or nurture, change is difficult. Existentialism is much about adapting to our situation and less about blame or explanation. Imprinting might loosely compare with Sartre's 'existence' and re-imprinting with 'essence.' But doesn't imprinting implies passivity? If our individual sense of will and power is weakened by others, or experiences we can't control, we are doomed. If Leary's research and methods were used by the government against citizens, wasn't that reason enough to avoid them? I recognize more often these days that propaganda bombards from several directions, not always the most obvious.

          Mary

          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@...> wrote:
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          > Bill,
          >
          > Who classified imprinting theory as a core belief? I have read a number of times Leary claim that the most advantageous way to trip is to do so in a setting and with a purpose to reimprint; and that too oftemn in practice people are imprinting the old imprint even deeper.
          >
          > Tom
        • tom
          Mary, Leary was quite clear about wanting the individual to take charge of his or her conciousness. The most advantageous way to use psychedelics according to
          Message 4 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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            Mary,

            Leary was quite clear about wanting the individual to take charge of his or her conciousness. The most advantageous way to use psychedelics according to Leary would be for a person to meet with a trained therapist, and before the session determine what aspects of the personality would be imprinted, and the session would be designed to accomplish this. Leary said unfortunately, people often use psychedelics in such a setting and with such a mindset that the old imprints are reimprinted more deeply. As for the government originally experimenting with LSD for their own militaristic purposes, that is true. The government originally experimented with LSD to explore the possibilitity of being able to dose water supplys where the natives would be in a state where they would be easy to conquer. In the 1950s, in the CIA and some other government agencies, people started obtaining small quantities of LSD and having private parties with it. I read that one guy in the Strategic Air Command, spent an evening on the floor designing a new, more creative method for bombing China. Ken Kesey experienced his first LSD experience as a paid participant in a government study, when he was a graduate student at Stanford. Kesey said it was the best acid he ever enjoyed. The experience led Kesey to write "One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest" and to take the money he made from its sale to buy land and set up the Merry Pransters. There is no question that over the last 50 years or so, the military industrial complex and the counterculture have utilized methods initially utilized by the other often. There are currently a number of retired, military officers,who teach remote viewing to the interested public. Remote viewing was the utilization of psychic methods of obtaining various types of covert information regarding enemies.

            Leary was also interested in the possibilities of the internet
            At the 1977 Libertarian Party Convention, mind-expansion advocate and LSD guru Timothy Leary gave a speech that few of us took very seriously. He spoke of something called the Internet, a network that would connect computers worldwide, allowing participants from around the globe to sign on and retrieve text, photographs, audio and video instantaneously, and to communicate in realtime with anyone in the whole world who also had a computer and a connection. He said that it would be the new revolution against the current social order and stifling status quo. He predicted it would be much, much bigger than drugs in its ability to overthrow the establishment. Whereas tuning in, turning on and dropping out had been of great interest to a somewhat narrow subset of the population, everyone would be able to use the Internet, in his own way, and thus the new revolution against the old order would transcend class, age, nationality and all other demographics. The bourgeois would have just as much interest and use for it as the so-called counterculture. And nothing would ever again be the same

            Peace,
            Tom
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            From: Mary
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            Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:10 AM
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            Tom, I'm only guessing, but I think Bill inferred from this:

            "Leary identified several significant developmental critical periods in human beings. Imprints established during these periods established core beliefs that shaped the personality and intelligence of the individual."

            The individual is imprinted by the herd or re-imprinted by the altered experience, and core beliefs are subsequently created or recreated. I think it's important to acknowledge that whether we attribute imprint to nature or nurture, change is difficult. Existentialism is much about adapting to our situation and less about blame or explanation. Imprinting might loosely compare with Sartre's 'existence' and re-imprinting with 'essence.' But doesn't imprinting implies passivity? If our individual sense of will and power is weakened by others, or experiences we can't control, we are doomed. If Leary's research and methods were used by the government against citizens, wasn't that reason enough to avoid them? I recognize more often these days that propaganda bombards from several directions, not always the most obvious.

            Mary

            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@...> wrote:
            >
            > Bill,
            >
            > Who classified imprinting theory as a core belief? I have read a number of times Leary claim that the most advantageous way to trip is to do so in a setting and with a purpose to reimprint; and that too oftemn in practice people are imprinting the old imprint even deeper.
            >
            > Tom





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          • William
            In 1971 I was cubed by a special forces operative. It was a terrifying experience which I will not forget.Later I was told it was a DOD experiment but I was
            Message 5 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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              In 1971 I was cubed by a special forces operative. It was a terrifying experience which I will not forget.Later I was told it was a DOD experiment but I was picked because I was on Nixons enemies list. If I react most negatively to Leary and his movement you must understand I have a deeply imprented hate for those who used me as a expermental subject without my knowledge or permission. I was taken out in public and my actions were not proper and I will never see the drug as a positive force in my life. The situation came down to what was called "dirty tricks" and was a political assault on what Trick Dick considered his enemies. Oh yes, I was imprinted, to despise him and his henchmen. I caught them in a scheme to spy on civilians in interstate rest stops. It was labeled intergate in the Des Moines paper.The story was squelched but when Nixon went down I was most happy. So, if I seem a bit touchy about such black ops and operatives it is a most real problem for me. The CIA and DOD are constitutionally prohibited from such expermenting on US citizens. Those who were responsible for such crimes will not be exposed or punished ,so much for justice. From Nixon and Halderman to Chaney and Bush these right wing criminals are behind the scenes promoting their hidden agendae. As I listen to the right wing try to reimpliment sunset portions of the patroit act I can see the same conspiratorial attempts to enslave Americans and deny our constitutional rights. The chain is unbroken from Sen. Mcarthy through Hoover and Nixon and the Bush ,Chaney caball. They desperately want back in power. Their coffers are shrinking and if they can be shown to be the saboteurs of democracy that they are we might reclaim our rights as Americans. Bill
            • tom
              Bill, I certainly understand and agree with your position. Leary was quite emphatic that he was a a strong supporter of the right to determine your own
              Message 6 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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                Bill,

                I certainly understand and agree with your position. Leary was quite emphatic that he was a a strong supporter of the right to determine your own conciousness.He believed the two rules were that a person had a right to use drugs to alter their conciousness, and a right to not have it altered without his or her consent. You say u were on Nixon's enemies list. I'd guess Leary was also. Nixon campaigned in 72 describing Mcgovern and the Democrats as being the party of the 3 As,amnesty, abortion, and acid.Nixon also created the DEA in January 72.Paul Newman said he was more proud of being on the Nixon enemy list than any award he ever won as an actor or racecar driver.

                Tom
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                From: William
                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:32 PM
                Subject: [existlist] Core beliefs



                In 1971 I was cubed by a special forces operative. It was a terrifying experience which I will not forget.Later I was told it was a DOD experiment but I was picked because I was on Nixons enemies list. If I react most negatively to Leary and his movement you must understand I have a deeply imprented hate for those who used me as a expermental subject without my knowledge or permission. I was taken out in public and my actions were not proper and I will never see the drug as a positive force in my life. The situation came down to what was called "dirty tricks" and was a political assault on what Trick Dick considered his enemies. Oh yes, I was imprinted, to despise him and his henchmen. I caught them in a scheme to spy on civilians in interstate rest stops. It was labeled intergate in the Des Moines paper.The story was squelched but when Nixon went down I was most happy. So, if I seem a bit touchy about such black ops and operatives it is a most real problem for me. The CIA and DOD are constitutionally prohibited from such expermenting on US citizens. Those who were responsible for such crimes will not be exposed or punished ,so much for justice. From Nixon and Halderman to Chaney and Bush these right wing criminals are behind the scenes promoting their hidden agendae. As I listen to the right wing try to reimpliment sunset portions of the patroit act I can see the same conspiratorial attempts to enslave Americans and deny our constitutional rights. The chain is unbroken from Sen. Mcarthy through Hoover and Nixon and the Bush ,Chaney caball. They desperately want back in power. Their coffers are shrinking and if they can be shown to be the saboteurs of democracy that they are we might reclaim our rights as Americans. Bill





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              • tom
                Bill, It is ironic that both you and Nixon shared an interest in Nietzsche. . Hitler, for example, probably never read Nietzsche, and if he did, his reading
                Message 7 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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                  Bill,

                  It is ironic that both you and Nixon shared an interest in Nietzsche.

                  . Hitler, for example, probably never read Nietzsche, and if he did, his reading was not extensive.[9] However, the Nazis made very selective use of Nietzsche's philosophy; this association with National Socialism caused Nietzsche's reputation to suffer following World War II. Mussolini certainly read Nietzsche,[10] as did Charles de Gaulle.[11] It has been suggested that Theodore Roosevelt read Nietzsche and was profoundly influenced by him,[12] and in more recent years, Richard Nixon read Nietzsche with "curious interest".[13]

                  Tom
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: William
                  To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:32 PM
                  Subject: [existlist] Core beliefs



                  In 1971 I was cubed by a special forces operative. It was a terrifying experience which I will not forget.Later I was told it was a DOD experiment but I was picked because I was on Nixons enemies list. If I react most negatively to Leary and his movement you must understand I have a deeply imprented hate for those who used me as a expermental subject without my knowledge or permission. I was taken out in public and my actions were not proper and I will never see the drug as a positive force in my life. The situation came down to what was called "dirty tricks" and was a political assault on what Trick Dick considered his enemies. Oh yes, I was imprinted, to despise him and his henchmen. I caught them in a scheme to spy on civilians in interstate rest stops. It was labeled intergate in the Des Moines paper.The story was squelched but when Nixon went down I was most happy. So, if I seem a bit touchy about such black ops and operatives it is a most real problem for me. The CIA and DOD are constitutionally prohibited from such expermenting on US citizens. Those who were responsible for such crimes will not be exposed or punished ,so much for justice. From Nixon and Halderman to Chaney and Bush these right wing criminals are behind the scenes promoting their hidden agendae. As I listen to the right wing try to reimpliment sunset portions of the patroit act I can see the same conspiratorial attempts to enslave Americans and deny our constitutional rights. The chain is unbroken from Sen. Mcarthy through Hoover and Nixon and the Bush ,Chaney caball. They desperately want back in power. Their coffers are shrinking and if they can be shown to be the saboteurs of democracy that they are we might reclaim our rights as Americans. Bill





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                • William
                  Tom, The drumb beat for war and penchant for hyper security go hand in hand with right wing politicos. They have to keep the pressure on and the fear levels
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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                    Tom, The drumb beat for war and penchant for hyper security go hand in hand with right wing politicos. They have to keep the pressure on and the fear levels up if they are to keep those huge defense budgets in tact. Building jails and forts are draining this country of the vitality of our industrial production.I would call Chaney the greatest war profiteer in our history. As a political weapon the patriot act has few equils. Is it a coincidence that the bomb attack on the Delta jet occurs just when the patriot act begins to wind down. Remember the budget surpluses when we were at peace,when we traded with others rather than attacked them. Bush was in office barely 9 months when he started two wars and sacked our civil rights . Follow the money, defense contractors and oil companies made vast fortunes while civilian life degraded across the board. Remember Blackwater and Halliburten? The right wing thrives on war and death, they get rich and powerful in such times and the rest of us get the shaft. It is a huge protection scheme that works us like dogs to pay them for protection. Bill Clinton understood the situation and stayed at relative peace. We prospered.
                    Obama is attacking the problem from a health reform tangent. He is trying to reaccess a civilian emphasis . The war mongers are screaming that we must start new fronts in Yeman and Packistan.I do not know if Obama can accomplish insurance reform in the face of the terror mongering we are experiencing now. If the democrats keep their nerve and pass insurance reform we could slip back into prosperity before the right wing can start more war and destruction. It is a matter of keeping our eyes on the ball while holding the war mongering pigs at bay.
                    I think this president is a clever infighter and I fully support him. I also think we will see more terror attacks which must be punished swiftly and cheaply. The symbolism of that reaction will be more important than the actual damage we inflict. Hang um high and broadcast it loudly. Bill
                  • tom
                    Bill, I couldn t agree more that war and incarceration have been the 2 growth industries since Reagan. Reagan liked to say When government expands, liberty
                    Message 9 of 9 , Jan 7, 2010
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                      Bill,

                      I couldn't agree more that war and incarceration have been the 2 growth industries since Reagan. Reagan liked to say "When government expands, liberty contracts". However, he obviously excluded the military industrial complex and the police state prison industrial complex from his category of government.When Reagan was in his first years, the huge increase in defense spending was his stimulus. Since 911, there has been attempt to use Islamic extremism as a justification as much as the USSR used to be to spend heavy on the military. My dad used to say that once a bureuacracy is started, it is almost impossible to end it because of the political power wielded by employee groups, and corporate contractors who profit from it's existance.

                      Peace,
                      Tom
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: William
                      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:04 PM
                      Subject: [existlist] Core beliefs



                      Tom, The drumb beat for war and penchant for hyper security go hand in hand with right wing politicos. They have to keep the pressure on and the fear levels up if they are to keep those huge defense budgets in tact. Building jails and forts are draining this country of the vitality of our industrial production.I would call Chaney the greatest war profiteer in our history. As a political weapon the patriot act has few equils. Is it a coincidence that the bomb attack on the Delta jet occurs just when the patriot act begins to wind down. Remember the budget surpluses when we were at peace,when we traded with others rather than attacked them. Bush was in office barely 9 months when he started two wars and sacked our civil rights . Follow the money, defense contractors and oil companies made vast fortunes while civilian life degraded across the board. Remember Blackwater and Halliburten? The right wing thrives on war and death, they get rich and powerful in such times and the rest of us get the shaft. It is a huge protection scheme that works us like dogs to pay them for protection. Bill Clinton understood the situation and stayed at relative peace. We prospered.
                      Obama is attacking the problem from a health reform tangent. He is trying to reaccess a civilian emphasis . The war mongers are screaming that we must start new fronts in Yeman and Packistan.I do not know if Obama can accomplish insurance reform in the face of the terror mongering we are experiencing now. If the democrats keep their nerve and pass insurance reform we could slip back into prosperity before the right wing can start more war and destruction. It is a matter of keeping our eyes on the ball while holding the war mongering pigs at bay.
                      I think this president is a clever infighter and I fully support him. I also think we will see more terror attacks which must be punished swiftly and cheaply. The symbolism of that reaction will be more important than the actual damage we inflict. Hang um high and broadcast it loudly. Bill





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