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  • shadowed_statue
    Mary, Furthermore, British institutions have historically defended our ancient liberties, including freedom of expression, and I am in the improbable position
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 21, 2009
      Mary,

      Furthermore, British institutions have historically defended our ancient liberties, including freedom of expression, and I am in the improbable position of attempting to secure the same for myself at existlist, in face of the persisting misunderstandings that plague our mutual discourses. Intricate stuff. Must go slowly. I believe in taking responsibility not only for my conduct, but, within reason, for my health. A refusal to trust the validity of the category, "mental illness", has for long been intrinsic to my sensibility. To call it dissidence is possibly a total lack of comprehension on my part. I must, and do, of course, acknowledge its social validity for all those who have no difficulty with that frame of reference. This is not a list about social acceptance, however. I am passionate to philosophise. No apologies there. The challenge for me is to make the case for philosophy, by taking up existence again, whatever that entails. I hope it will prove possible for me to stay at the list and argue with clarity from my own perspective.

      Louise

      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "shadowed_statue" <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
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      > Mary,
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      > British institutions are ancient, and in that sense archaic. You do not understand or love them, and I am slowly trying to assimilate the implications of this as of much else. I am quite happy for you to defend yourself. I do not know you. We have barely begun. I hope we might come to a better understanding, but it will take time.
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      > Louise
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      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <mary.josie59@> wrote:
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      > > Imagination has little to do with it. I respect the art of power, especially yours, but not archaic institutions. Resistance for which side in the civil war, Louise? Using which text as your weapon? I perceive you as bitterly unhappy, with a powerful intellect, and in drag as as a Christian. How is that for existlist watercooler gossip? You endlessly attack my understanding of philosophical concepts and my very sensibilities, but you don't expect me to defend myself. Why is that? You know me? Mary
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      > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "shadowed_statue" <hecubatoher@> wrote:
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      > > > Mary, It is always of interest to know how you might picture me. The fact that Bill has been making such efforts of late, or so it seems, to reconcile the conflicting incomprehensions of persons like you and me, ended by producing a monumental leap of fantastical investment in the realm of existlist sociality. Thinking that perhaps I was too negative in general, I decided to imagine myself enthroned, but in the event I woke up as usual and remain entirely unregal. What has proved immensely frustrating is the absence of seemly doubt, in regard to different historic and cultural experiences. I might picture myself, in a confident moment, as a Resistance figure of some kind, perhaps in your civil war, but I cannot yet imagine your sympathy with our utterly unique monarchical constitution, and all the implications that has for imaginings of queenhood. My respect, as a commoner, for our monarchy, has set me up as a target for the most vile and ignorant sections of public opinion. Every community has its pump, so to speak. Is that where the gossip goes forward? Louise
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      > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <mary.josie59@> wrote:
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      > > > > Well, Louise, with your rather large scepter, you do wield a certain flamboyance and verbal flourish, but it is unlikely I will ever bow down. Mary
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      > > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "shadowed_statue" <hecubatoher@> wrote:
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      > > > > > Mary,
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      > > > > > The word, 'philosophy', bears various interpretations. In this context you are using it in a relatively everyday sort of sense, as a journalist might. The kind of philosophy which invokes and explores the sense of wonder, which is, I believe, particularly Germanic, with Hellenic roots, would shudder away from such language. When I reflect, that you* find Heidegger a thinker involved with violence, I need to remember that, in this area of discourse, without irony, you know not what you say.
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      > > > > > Louise
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      > > > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <mary.josie59@> wrote:
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      > > > > > > Ah yes, the philosophy of political flexibility as power play. Mary
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      > > > > > > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "tom" <tsmith17_midsouth1@> wrote:
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      > > > > > > > Mary,
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      > > > > > > > I didn't know that Mussolini was a UK agent during ww1. But it don't suprise me. I recall a paraphrase of Nietzche saying submissive people use dogma as an excuse to submit, and dominant people use dogma as a tool of domination. Musolini started out a socialist, and later went to the right. I believe idealistic intellectuals like everyone tends to look at everybody through their own projections; and I believe idealists see theories and things like socialism versus capitalism etc as what it's all about. Power broker types often can use any system as expressions of their will to power. Reagan was a FDR New Deal Democrat in the 30s and 40s as he moved up in Hollywood to President of Actors Guild, and became a conservative Republican in the 50s and early 60s when he was the spokesman for US Steel on Steel Hour and later Borax on I forget the western series.Some guy who used to be close to Nixon quotes Nixon as once having said "That if the opportunity had been there, he could have been a liberal Democrat. I'd guess many politicians get into whatever party their connections have opportunities for them. At least half are lawyers, and a lawyer can argue a case either way.
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      > > > > > > > From: Mary
      > > > > > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:54 AM
      > > > > > > > Subject: [existlist] News bites
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      > > > > > > > Tom, did you see that Mussolini was a British agent during WWI? Kind of ties in with your comments about how alliances shift in deadly manner.
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      > > > > > > > Bill, did you see the recent Hubble images of two spiral galaxies colliding? I wonder at what point human life would begin to feel the effects of an impending collision?
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