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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Tom, I will keep my eyes open. If I come across it, I will let you know. Wil ... From: devogney To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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      Tom,

      I will keep my eyes open. If I come across it, I will let you know.

      Wil


      -----Original Message-----
      From: devogney <tsmith17_midsouth1@...>
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:52 pm
      Subject: [existlist] Re: Democrat Specter































      Wil,



      I am not sure if the quote in question was a direct quote, or someone's
      paraphrase of some of his ideas.I apologize for my lack of scholarly
      rigor in the matter. In my opinion,whoever said it, it makes a lot of
      sense and certainly explains the persistant deviations from various
      denominational rules that continually shock the sheep that submit to
      following the rule to the letter.It certainly dovetails with the
      article I read in the early 80s saying that adult males in church other
      than priests in latin countries was rare;but that historically adult
      Catholic males had supported the church because the Church supported
      their rule of the family. It also dovetails with the Crowley saying
      that latin males were basically pagan. It was common for Mafia guys to
      own, operate, and enjoy the pleasures of whore houses while their wives
      led lives prescribed by Catholic rules, which of course greatly
      increased the liklihood that children of such marriage were in fact
      children of the husband.I am certainly no scholar of Nietzche as you
      are. I have read several books by him a good while ago,and of course
      have often read various references to him and his life and thoughts in
      other books or articles discussing philosophical and psychological
      matters.If you cant find the quote anywhere, I guess its a paraphrase
      of his ideas or else I dreamed it up. If I dreamed it up, I'll take the
      credit because it does help me make sense of things.

      Tom





      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:

      >

      > Tom,

      >

      > You have repeated this often" "I have come to believe the Nietzsche

      > saying something to the affect that dogma is an excuse to submit to
      the

      > submissive, and a tool to dominate to the dominant." I have not been

      > able to find it, or anything like it, in Nietzsche's works, including

      > the ones I have electronically (where I can use a search tool). Do
      you

      > have any idea where you saw it?

      >

      > Wil

      >

      >

      > -----Original Message-----

      > From: devogney <tsmith17_midsouth1@...>

      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com

      > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 8:09 pm

      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Democrat Specter

      >

      > Bill,

      >

      >

      >

      > You write"He is a catholic first and therefore always suspect of

      > erratic and unclear thinking. He listens to other voices, maby from

      > Rome , maby from deeply held guilt."

      >

      >

      >

      > I have come to believe the Nietzche saying something to the affect
      that

      > dogma is an excuse to submit to the submissive, and a tool to
      dominate

      > to the dominant. I guess this entwines with the master versus slave

      > morality thing also. Like yourself, I was raised a Catholic and went
      to

      > Catholic schools, and used to wonder why so much of what I was
      hearing

      > seemed a bit doubtful, or at least open for question. I now suspect
      the

      > myth of Lucifer was intended to put the fear of the Lord into anybody

      > who doubted. My point is that I suspect whither we are talking

      > Catholic, fundamentalist protestant, or Islamic; I don't think the

      > powerful have ever been that concerned about violating some
      particular

      > rules. The Kennedys were all Catholics, but Joe as well as his sons

      > certainly had no inhibitions about violating official Church
      teachings

      > about sex outside marriage. The purpose of those rules was to scare
      the

      > hell out of people like Rose Kennedy so that in affect the children

      > born to her would in fact be Kennedys. Likewise not only the priests

      > who had altar boy sex but the higher ups who continually covered it
      up

      > for many years did not seem to see the violations of chastity rules
      as

      > terribly scandelous. I read in the early 80s that in Italy it was
      rare

      > to see adult men other than priests in church. Crowley said latin
      males

      > were essentially pagan.Hitler was a strong admirer of the Catholic

      > Church for their ability to indoctrinate people. I have also read
      that

      > Orwell saw the Catholic Church as an original prototype of big
      brother.

      >

      >

      >

      > However, despite the fact that politicians are mostly controlled by
      the

      > will to power as opposed to following dogma, I do agree that a

      > politician's religion might color his decisions, but in my opinion I

      > believe it would be more a question of the political alliances

      > connected with his Church memnbership and their agendas rather than
      any

      > obediance to rules that might influence a politician of a certain

      > religion to vote a certain way.

      >

      > Tom -

      >

      >

      >

      > -- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd" <v.valleywestdental@> wrote:

      >

      > >

      >

      > > Tom, I do not consider Biden a modernist and certainly not an

      > existentialist. He is a catholic first and therefore always suspect
      of

      > erratic and unclear thinking. He listens to other voices, maby from

      > Rome , maby from deeply held guilt. But he is a good judge of

      > intelligence as he is damn smart. I do not want religous people in
      high

      > office, I invariably vote against them. I certainly consider politics
      a

      > higher order activity than religion and I don`t think Joe has a clear

      > order of those factors. Vice Pres is a great job for Joe as he can

      > pontificate and schmooze but has no finger on the button. I do not
      want

      > religios with their finger on the button, it is those voices again,

      > they worry me. The more I hear Specter the more he becomes visible
      as

      > a pragmatist, almost Spock like, who instinct fully knows how to

      > survive. He is quite angry at the conservatives who tried to put the

      > dagger into his back and I think he will work hard to fuck them and

      > their weird world up.

      >

      > > It just keeps

      >

      > > piling up. I mean after Bill Clinton's cigar job it all closed down

      > but the chaos of Bush years just keeps announcing itself like
      thunder.

      > Obama thinks we should ignore it until we are on better balance. On

      > the political balance I agree with him but on a criminal business
      basis

      > I do not think the economy can be rebuilt without a new trust. The
      AIG

      > CEO`s should walk the plank. There is no direct political vendetta

      > there but thieves like that cannot be tolerated. Hang em high and if
      in

      > doubt, crucify. Later we can see how much was gained and lost by the

      > execution. They took the big bucks they took the big risk. The White

      > House lawyers who agreed to torture do not interest me other than
      they

      > give terrible advice. They should have joined the mafia. Strip those

      > CEO , take their property and splash it all over the news. Then
      forget

      > it because we gotta get back to work. Bill

      >

      > >

      >
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