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  • bhvwd
    Lord Jim says I want to execute the unemployed, I do not want that. Hear that Jimmy, I do not want the unemployed executed. I want them to be self sufficient
    Message 1 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
      Lord Jim says I want to execute the unemployed, I do not want that. Hear that Jimmy, I do not want the unemployed executed. I want them to be self sufficient individuals.
      The point of decision is coming. This spring the unemployment benefits run out and the free food pantries are strained beyond their means. I am working at full capacity, what are you doing. What do you do? What is your occupation? yes that is a personal question but your left wing ,pro population, pro welfare stances should stand on some personal economic footing. My taxes are being raised to pay for the kind of support you so keenly propose. I work harder to pay those taxes, what do you do to support a system of general largess?
      I find the millennial and gen X peoples riddled with post modernist concepts of mediocrity and social irresponsibility. You lead that charge at this forum and I want to know why. If you think yourself some kind of Gandhi please provide some meaningful credentials for your position as humanist example.
      Existentialism has no standing requirement for bleeding heart humanism. That is your bag and I want to know why. All sorts of social systems have been proposed by the classical existentialists and I will not let you preach your particular economic preference as being what an existentialist should think. I do not mind debating economic theory but I will not be lectured about existentialism by a moral economist. You have not answered several of my posts and have misquoted my ideas. I will not back off from you as I do not agree with your world view and think of you as a religious based idealist who confuses existentialism with your particular brand of economic activism. Bill
    • jimstuart51
      Bill, In your post 47558, you wrote: Over populated as we are what can be done with the worthless scum. We have extended unemployment benefits again. We could
      Message 2 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
        Bill,

        In your post 47558, you wrote:

        "Over populated as we are what can be done with the worthless scum. We have extended unemployment benefits again. We could go the Islamic route, Jahad. Oh how incorrect! We are way too smart to whack our own, perhaps. If you are on this or that dole this may bother you. Yes, someone is after your worthless butt. I will push for the dictatorship of the workers the rest can go fish. … So if you provide one of those integral goods or services I salute you. If you provide nothing of worth the smell of death is on you. You will not be missed, just more food for the rest of us."

        I interpreted you as arguing for the execution of the unemployed with your talk of `Jahad' and `the smell of death'. But perhaps I misinterpreted your post. Perhaps you would like to paraphrase the above for an English man who may have mistranslated your American way with words?

        Anyway, I am glad you are not arguing for the execution of the unemployed, just as I am glad Louise no longer advocates the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white. (Cf her post 47664)

        You ask me about my personal circumstances:

        "I am working at full capacity, what are you doing. What do you do? What is your occupation? yes that is a personal question but your left wing ,pro population, pro welfare stances should stand on some personal economic footing. My taxes are being raised to pay for the kind of support you so keenly propose. I work harder to pay those taxes, what do you do to support a system of general largess?"

        Strangely enough, my situation is similar to yours. I have a full-time job (37.5 hours per week) working for a small computer software company in a place called Derby. I earn an average income £22000 working in the Support department of my company. My partner is a translator and earns about £15000. We have two teenage children of our own and a third who has come to live with us because her mother threw her out.

        We are struggling to make ends meet at present, and have now no savings, so it is quite an austere existence. However, unlike you, I am happy to pay taxes to help provide our National Health Service safety-net, and to fund income support and other benefits for the unemployed and those unable to work due to physical or mental incapacity.

        You also write the following:

        "Existentialism has no standing requirement for bleeding heart humanism. That is your bag and I want to know why. All sorts of social systems have been proposed by the classical existentialists and I will not let you preach your particular economic preference as being what an existentialist should think."

        I agree that existentialism is a `broad church' which includes differing views concerning ethical, political and economic matters. So I do not aim to "preach what an existentialist should think". I put forward my ethical views just as you do. I criticize your anti-humanism, you criticize my bleeding-heart humanism. I argue for socialism, you argue for a version of capitalism that advocates low taxes for working people and no benefits for the unemployed. Fair enough. I preach just as much, or just as little, as you do. If you don't like what I write, you can go fish.

        Jim
      • eupraxis@aol.com
        Jim, I must take exception to your phrase, American way with words , as if to suggest that we all write with sledgehammers and – oh!, ah ... ummm; mmmmmm,
        Message 3 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
          Jim,

          I must take exception to your phrase, "American way with words", as if to suggest that we all write with sledgehammers and – oh!, ah ... ummm; mmmmmm, ... never mind.

          Wil





          -----Original Message-----
          From: jimstuart51 <jjimstuart1@...>
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 1:05 pm
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          Bill,



          In your post 47558, you wrote:



          "Over populated as we are what can be done with the worthless scum. We have extended unemployment benefits again. We could go the Islamic route, Jahad. Oh how incorrect! We are way too smart to whack our own, perhaps. If you are on this or that dole this may bother you. Yes, someone is after your worthless butt. I will push for the dictatorship of the workers the rest can go fish. … So if you provide one of those integral goods or services I salute you. If you provide nothing of worth the smell of death is on you. You will not be missed, just more food for the rest of us."



          I interpreted you as arguing for the execution of the unemployed with your talk of `Jahad' and `the smell of death'. But perhaps I misinterpreted your post. Perhaps you would like to paraphrase the above for an English man who may have mistranslated your American way with words?



          Anyway, I am glad you are not arguing for the execution of the unemployed, just as I am glad Louise no lo
          nger advocates the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white. (Cf her post 47664)



          You ask me about my personal circumstances:



          "I am working at full capacity, what are you doing. What do you do? What is your occupation? yes that is a personal question but your left wing ,pro population, pro welfare stances should stand on some personal economic footing. My taxes are being raised to pay for the kind of support you so keenly propose. I work harder to pay those taxes, what do you do to support a system of general largess?"



          Strangely enough, my situation is similar to yours. I have a full-time job (37.5 hours per week) working for a small computer software company in a place called Derby. I earn an average income £22000 working in the Support department of my company. My partner is a translator and earns about £15000. We have two teenage children of our own and a third who has come to live with us because her mother threw her out.



          We are struggling to make ends meet at present, and have now no savings, so it is quite an austere existence. However, unlike you, I am happy to pay taxes to help provide our National Health Service safety-net, and to fund income support and other benefits for the unemployed and those unable to work due to physical or mental incapacity.



          You also write the following:



          "Existentialism has no standing requirement for bleeding heart humanism. That is your bag and I want to know why. All sorts of social systems hav
          e been proposed by the classical existentialists and I will not let you preach your particular economic preference as being what an existentialist should think."



          I agree that existentialism is a `broad church' which includes differing views concerning ethical, political and economic matters. So I do not aim to "preach what an existentialist should think". I put forward my ethical views just as you do. I criticize your anti-humanism, you criticize my bleeding-heart humanism. I argue for socialism, you argue for a version of capitalism that advocates low taxes for working people and no benefits for the unemployed. Fair enough. I preach just as much, or just as little, as you do. If you don't like what I write, you can go fish.



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        • jimstuart51
          Wil, Sorry, perhaps a bad expression on my part. I was not intending to be anti-American. I was just attempting to say that I may have misunderstood Bill s
          Message 4 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
            Wil,

            Sorry, perhaps a bad expression on my part.

            I was not intending to be anti-American. I was just attempting to say that I may have misunderstood Bill's remarks because of subtle differences between American English and British English.

            It was meant as a conciliatory remark, not another dig at Bill in particular or Americans in general!

            Jim
          • eupraxis@aol.com
            I was actually making fun of myself Wil ... From: jimstuart51 To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 1:56 pm Subject:
            Message 5 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
              I was actually making fun of myself

              Wil







              -----Original Message-----
              From: jimstuart51 <jjimstuart1@...>
              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 1:56 pm
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              Wil,



              Sorry, perhaps a bad expression on my part.



              I was not intending to be anti-American. I was just attempting to say that I may have misunderstood Bill's remarks because of subtle differences between American English and British English.



              It was meant as a conciliatory remark, not another dig at Bill in particular or Americans in general!



              Jim


























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            • louise
              ... Jim, Might I at least say that I am an English woman who finds Bill s mode of expression perfectly limpid, in a case like this one, which does not require
              Message 6 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "jimstuart51" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:
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                > "Over populated as we are what can be done with the worthless scum. We have extended unemployment benefits again. We could go the Islamic route, Jahad. Oh how incorrect! We are way too smart to whack our own, perhaps. If you are on this or that dole this may bother you. Yes, someone is after your worthless butt. I will push for the dictatorship of the workers the rest can go fish. … So if you provide one of those integral goods or services I salute you. If you provide nothing of worth the smell of death is on you. You will not be missed, just more food for the rest of us."
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                Jim, Might I at least say that I am an English woman who finds Bill's mode of expression perfectly limpid, in a case like this one, which does not require of me any specialist knowledge. It is quite Darwinian, indeed, and standard capitalistic discourse, allowing for the poetic expression, which almost makes the ruthless system of international markets sound acceptable. But I am a subversive, and if living in the USA, could easily be dead by now. Louise


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              • louise
                ... [to Bill] Anyway, I am glad you are not arguing for the execution of the unemployed, just as I am glad Louise no longer advocates the repatriation of UK
                Message 7 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                  --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "jimstuart51" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:

                  [to Bill] Anyway, I am glad you are not arguing for the execution of the unemployed, just as I am glad Louise no longer advocates the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white. (Cf her post 47664)

                  Jim,

                  Is post 47664 not written by Bill? When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens wo are not white? I went to great lengths to make my meaning clear at the time. It is vitally important to me to be starting from a point of clarity. Please take some care with your statements, as in any case it is highly stressful to keep fielding accusations in a matter as dear to my heart as the unfolding fate of my country. I am still very much a Green, and the continuing loss of field and woodland itself causes me great distress and anxiety. Possibly I am the only racial nationalist liberal in England. It is only a label, after all. I wish to be discussing politics only from an existentialist point of view, and the speed of debate at the list makes this difficult.

                  Louise
                • eupraxis@aol.com
                  Louise, I believe the discussion began with your saying (post 44595), If truths which make happy start to prevail, the elements of force and deception are
                  Message 8 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                    Louise,

                    I believe the discussion began with your saying (post 44595), "If truths which make happy start to prevail, the

                    elements of force and deception are driven out. The very possibility of repatriation might allow opportunities to some, to migrate homewards, since population movements are various in character."

                    You then subsequently developed, throughout the long delineation of posts, an uneven notion of voluntary, but highly encouraged, repatriation which soon became a mandatory thing, before you eventually denied that you made any mention of it at all, after which you began playing both sides of the matter, ad nauseum, to this day.

                    Wil







                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                    To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 2:54 pm
                    Subject: [existlist] Re: Running out of time.


























                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "jimstuart51" <jjimstuart1@...> wrote:



                    [to Bill] Anyway, I am glad you are not arguing for the execution of the unemployed, just as I am glad Louise no longer advocates the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white. (Cf her post 47664)



                    Jim,



                    Is post 47664 not written by Bill? When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens wo are not white? I went to great lengths to make my meaning clear at the time. It is vitally important to me to be starting from a point of clarity. Please take some care with your statements, as in any case it is highly stressful to keep fielding accusations in a matter as dear to my heart as the unfolding fate of my country. I am still very much a Green, and the continuing loss of field and woodland itself causes me great distress and anxiety. Possibly I am the only racial nationalist liberal in England. It is only a label, after all. I wish to be discussing politics only from an existentialist point of view, and the speed of debate at the list makes this difficult.



                    Louise


























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                  • louise
                    ... Wil, I am very glad that you have supplied the needful reference. Your failure to understand what I was saying leads directly into accusation that is
                    Message 9 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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                      Wil,

                      I am very glad that you have supplied the needful reference. Your failure to understand what I was saying leads directly into accusation that is grossly offensive. An apology for the way you have bullied me recently would be helpful, if I am to explain with satisfactory clarity how my own liberalism differs from what one might call mainstream racial nationalism, as represented, for instance, by the British People's Party. I am sick and tired indeed of how cheaply accusatory slander comes from you.

                      Louise
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                      > From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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                    • eupraxis@aol.com
                      Louise, If my tone has been harsh, I apologize for that, but not for what I have said. But I would encourage you to clarify, once and for all, your position.
                      Message 10 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                        Louise,

                        If my tone has been harsh, I apologize for that, but not for what I have said. But I would encourage you to clarify, once and for all, your position.

                        Wil





                        Wil,



                        I am very glad that you have supplied the needful reference. Your failure to understand what I was saying leads directly into accusation that is grossly offensive. An apology for the way you have bullied me recently would be helpful, if I am to explain with satisfactory clarity how my own liberalism differs from what one might call mainstream racial nationalism, as represented, for instance, by the British People's Party. I am sick and tired indeed of how cheaply accusatory slander comes from you.



                        Louise









                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 4:28 pm
                        Subject: [existlist] Re: Running out of time.


























                        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:

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                        > Wil



                        Wil,



                        I am very glad that you have supplied the needful reference. Your failure to understand what I was saying leads directly into accusation that is grossly offensive. An apology for the way you have bullied me recently would be helpful, if I am to explain with satisfactory clarity how my own liberalism differs from what one might call mainstream racial nationalism, as represented, for instance, by the British People's Party. I am sick and tired indeed of how cheaply accusatory slander comes from you.



                        Louise

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                      • louise
                        Wil, I am only human. It seems to me that you do not begin to imagine the impact of your words on me, for a very long time, as I have been fighting for life
                        Message 11 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                          Wil,

                          I am only human. It seems to me that you do not begin to imagine the impact of your words on me, for a very long time, as I have been fighting for life and liberty. However, I realise the apology is sincere, as far as it goes, and I thank you for that. There is so much you do not understand about England, and Britain in general. As soon as I am able, of course I want to clarify my position. The feelings involved in relation to the threat I have been under, and the sensibilities of others, is just indescribable. There is a great deal of pain, of course, in connection with the direct consequences of severe economic conditions, but I am talking about something far more difficult to broach. In addition, please bear in mind that when I write at existlist, I am not held back by the moderation policy exercised by CSW or Susan, but by my awareness that what is inadequately expressed may cause hurt or damage, and that what may be technically illegal could land me in jail.

                          Louise

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                        • eupraxis@aol.com
                          Louise ... From: louise To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:18 pm Subject: [existlist] Re: Running out of time.
                          Message 12 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                            Louise







                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                            To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:18 pm
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                            Wil,



                            I am only human. It seems to me that you do not begin to imagine the impact of your words on me, for a very long time, as I have been fighting for life and liberty. However, I realise the apology is sincere, as far as it goes, and I thank you for that. There is so much you do not understand about England, and Britain in general. As soon as I am able, of course I want to clarify my position. The feelings involved in relation to the threat I have been under, and the sensibilities of others, is just indescribable. There is a great deal of pain, of course, in connection with the direct consequences of severe economic conditions, but I am talking about something far more difficult to broach. In addition, please bear in mind that when I write at existlist, I am not held back by the moderation policy exercised by CSW or Susan, but by my awareness that what is inadequately expressed may cause hurt or damage, and that what may be technically illegal could land me in jail.



                            Louise



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                          • eupraxis@aol.com
                            Louise ... From: louise To: existlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:18 pm Subject: [existlist] Re: Running out of time.
                            Message 13 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                              Louise







                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:18 pm
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                              Wil,



                              I am only human. It seems to me that you do not begin to imagine the impact of your words on me, for a very long time, as I have been fighting for life and liberty. However, I realise the apology is sincere, as far as it goes, and I thank you for that. There is so much you do not understand about England, and Britain in general. As soon as I am able, of course I want to clarify my position. The feelings involved in relation to the threat I have been under, and the sensibilities of others, is just indescribable. There is a great deal of pain, of course, in connection with the direct consequences of severe economic conditions, but I am talking about something far more difficult to broach. In addition, please bear in mind that when I write at existlist, I am not held back by the moderation policy exercised by CSW or Susan, but by my awareness that what is inadequately expressed may cause hurt or damage, and that what may be technically illegal could land me in jail.



                              Louise



                              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:

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                              > From: louise <hecubatoher@...>

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                            • jimstuart51
                              Louise, In your post 47679, you write: When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white? I went to great lengths to make my
                              Message 14 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                Louise,

                                In your post 47679, you write:

                                "When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white? I went to great lengths to make my meaning clear at the time. It is vitally important to me to be starting from a point of clarity."

                                However in your post 44587 of 29 June 2008, you wrote:

                                "Without a strengthening of the Christian faith, or some (slightly unimaginable)
                                honourable heathen equivalent to such faith, in the British Isles, the idea of promoting realistic racial nationalism through the democratic process seems doomed to fail. A policy of repatriation is only feasible if carried out with restraint, discretion, and humanity. A traditional Christianity fairly well established in the general population seems like the only possible background by which such a feat could be achieved without debacle or catastrophe."

                                I am sorry if I misinterpreted your remarks here from last year as advocating the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white.

                                Jim
                              • eupraxis@aol.com
                                Jim, You are right that she didn t mean only non-whites, but also non-Aryans, excepting Jews for some reason, and members of alien faiths. Shall I drudge up
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                                  Jim,

                                  You are right that she didn't mean only non-whites, but also non-Aryans, excepting Jews for some reason, and members of alien faiths. Shall I drudge up the post numbers? If she has a more up to date position, that would be great, anyway.

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                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: jimstuart51 <jjimstuart1@...>
                                  To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:27 pm
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                                  Louise,



                                  In your post 47679, you write:



                                  "When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white? I went to great lengths to make my meaning clear at the time. It is vitally important to me to be starting from a point of clarity."



                                  However in your post 44587 of 29 June 2008, you wrote:



                                  "Without a strengthening of the Christian faith, or some (slightly unimaginable)

                                  honourable heathen equivalent to such faith, in the British Isles, the idea of promoting realistic racial nationalism through the democratic process seems doomed to fail. A policy of repatriation is only feasible if carried out with restraint, discretion, and humanity. A traditional Christianity fairly well established in the general population seems like the only possible background by which such a feat could be achieved without debacle or catastrophe."



                                  I am sorry if I misinterpreted your remarks here from last year as advocating the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white.



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                                • eupraxis@aol.com
                                  Louise, Excuse those last sends. Not sure what caused them. Anyway, you have, in passing, mentioned these problems and threats before, but without any details.
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                    Louise,

                                    Excuse those last sends. Not sure what caused them.

                                    Anyway, you have, in passing, mentioned these problems and threats before, but without any details. Jim has not corroborated your thesis that the UK is jailing anyone for posts on yahoo. Unless you are advocating some terrible thing or other, like some holocaust or armed usurpation, etc., I don't see why anyone would pay any attention to what we write, and I write knowing full well that Bush and Cheney did their best to archive every electronic communication of every American. So what?

                                    Are you and your husband the only white Brits that suffers these threats? Have you yelled at the kids on the corner and now they think you are the nasty white lady of the block? Why would others pick you out for such ill treatment? What fell knowledge do you have that would spell your doom if shared here?

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                                    -----Original Message-----

                                    From: louise <hecubatoher@...>

                                    To: existlist@yahoogroups.com

                                    Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:18 pm

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                                    Wil,




                                    I am only human. It seems to me that you do not begin to imagine the impact of your words on me, for a very long time, as I have been fighting for life and liberty. However, I realise the apology is sincere, as far as it goes, and I thank you for that. There is so much you do not understand about England, and Britain in general. As soon as I am able, of course I want to clarify my position. The feelings involved in relation to the threat I have been under, and the sensibilities of others, is just indescribable. There is a great deal of pain, of course, in connection with the direct consequences of severe economic conditions, but I am talking about something far more difficult to broach. In addition, please bear in mind that when I write at existlist, I am not held back by the moderation policy exercised by CSW or Susan, but by my awareness that what is inadequately expressed may cause hurt or damage, and that what may be technically illegal could land me in jail.




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                                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:


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                                  • louise
                                    ... Jim, Thank you for your apology. The above words are a commentary on why I was and am still unable to countenance joining any racial nationalist party, or
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
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                                      > Louise,
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                                      > In your post 47679, you write:
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                                      > "When have I ever advocated the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white? I went to great lengths to make my meaning clear at the time. It is vitally important to me to be starting from a point of clarity."
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                                      > However in your post 44587 of 29 June 2008, you wrote:
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                                      > "Without a strengthening of the Christian faith, or some (slightly unimaginable)
                                      > honourable heathen equivalent to such faith, in the British Isles, the idea of promoting realistic racial nationalism through the democratic process seems doomed to fail. A policy of repatriation is only feasible if carried out with restraint, discretion, and humanity. A traditional Christianity fairly well established in the general population seems like the only possible background by which such a feat could be achieved without debacle or catastrophe."
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                                      > I am sorry if I misinterpreted your remarks here from last year as advocating the repatriation of UK citizens who are not white.
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                                      > Jim
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                                      Jim,

                                      Thank you for your apology. The above words are a commentary on why I was and am still unable to countenance joining any racial nationalist party, or to endorse their programme. We are very far indeed in this country from having a traditional Christianity fairly well established, and my horror at what I have discovered about how institutional religion functions in the modern age is far too raw to discuss at present.

                                      Louise
                                    • louise
                                      Wil, You careless clod, will you get it through your thick skull that I am making comments about a political movement to which I do not belong. It is not MY
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                        Wil,

                                        You careless clod, will you get it through your thick skull that I am making comments about a political movement to which I do not belong. It is not MY position. My position was about whether or not these types of movement should have freedom of speech.

                                        Louise

                                        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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                                        > Jim,
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                                        > You are right that she didn't mean only non-whites, but also non-Aryans, excepting Jews for some reason, and members of alien faiths. Shall I drudge up the post numbers? If she has a more up to date position, that would be great, anyway.
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                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: jimstuart51 <jjimstuart1@...>
                                        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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                                      • eupraxis@aol.com
                                        Louise, Now that s the spirit! Give em hell. But, my careless clod-ity notwithstanding, you have more than once associated yourself, that is your very self,
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                          Louise,

                                          Now that's the spirit! Give 'em hell.

                                          But, my careless clod-ity notwithstanding, you have more than once associated yourself, that is your very self, both with these figures and their views, and with the very same speech issue (in fact, in terms of the latter, just a few posts ago).

                                          Wil






                                          -----Original Message-----

                                          From: louise <hecubatoher@...>

                                          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com

                                          Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:57 pm

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                                          Wil,





                                          You careless clod, will you get it through your thick skull that I am making comments about a political movement to which I do not belong. It is not MY position. My position was about whether or not these types of movement should have freedom of speech.





                                          Louise





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                                          > You are right that she didn't mean only non-whites, but also non-Aryans, excepting Jews for some reason, and members of alien faiths. Shall I drudge up the post numbers? If she has a more up to date position, that would be great, anyway.


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                                        • louise
                                          Wil, My enemies don t appear to be racists. Their resentments are not political. Whilst I do wish to be able to engage in good-humoured abuse, so to speak,
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                            Wil,

                                            My enemies don't appear to be racists. Their resentments are not political.

                                            Whilst I do wish to be able to engage in good-humoured abuse, so to speak, please understand that your statement below is a most serious charge, in my view, because as I keep trying to explain, questions of faith precede and supersede all question of political allegiance. I would ask you to quote precisely, and thus give me the chance to make a clear response.

                                            Louise

                                            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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                                            > -----Original Message-----
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                                            > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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                                          • eupraxis@aol.com
                                            Louise, What are these matters of faith? What is faith insofar as it has anything whatsoever to do with nationalism? In particular, for example, what do you
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Apr 5, 2009
                                              Louise,

                                              What are these matters of faith? What is faith insofar as it has anything whatsoever to do with nationalism? In particular, for example, what do you understand about Christianity that authenticates the notion of race such that faith precedes politics?

                                              Be clear, please, and to the point.

                                              Wil








                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: louise <hecubatoher@...>
                                              To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 6:30 pm
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                                              Wil,



                                              My enemies don't appear to be racists. Their resentments are not political.



                                              Whilst I do wish to be able to engage in good-humoured abuse, so to speak, please understand that your statement below is a most serious charge, in my view, because as I keep trying to explain, questions of faith precede and supersede all question of political allegiance. I would ask you to quote precisely, and thus give me the chance to make a clear response.



                                              Louise



                                              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:

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                                              > Louise,

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                                              > Now that's the spirit! Give 'em hell.

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                                              > But, my careless clod-ity notwithstanding, you have more than once associated yourself, that is your very self, both with these figures and their views, and with the very same speech issue (in fact, in terms of the latter, just a few posts ago).

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                                              > Wil

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                                              > -----Original Message-----

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                                              > From: louise <hecubatoher@...>

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                                              > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com

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                                              > Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 5:57 pm

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                                              Fifty three dead in thirty days. That is the body count here in the US. These 53 killings are directly attributable to economic related stress crimes. People
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                                                Fifty three dead in thirty days. That is the body count here in the US. These 53 killings are directly attributable to economic related stress crimes. People broke and literally went ballistic. That is what I was referring to with the titular statement of this thread. These are much worse than bloodied heads, these are heads blown off, bodies torn apart in pink clouds of blood. When police chief Kelly was asked what law enforcement can do about this he replied"very little".That is the kind of out of control I refer to.
                                                In the UK cops beat heads,oh my! In the US we shoot the police. Louise made a very true statement when she said she would probably be dead had she lived in the US. Ask Wil about the attitude about guns where he lives.
                                                Of course if I were a Britt and forced into battle with an Enfield , I would understand their mistrust of rifles. The last good battle weapon they produced was the Brown Bess and it was smooth bore. Your pistols suck and I wonder if you still allow the long bow. I think Europeans are becoming more pacifist, less well armed. Certainly you think that progress but I do not agree. It is a philosophical difference and nothing I know of existentialism denies a practitioner the right of self defense. Battle rifle sales are way up and nimrod marksmen are using them to vent their terror, aggression and hate. The cops say they are outgunned and they are correct. The worst gunfight they have gotten in was the two gunman robbery with AK`s in the hands of the bad guys. AK`s are very prevalent all over the US. It is a massively destructive weapon, especially in an urban setting.You Europeans have little to fear from your disgusting euro trash but here a crazy with an AK can stand off and kill cops.
                                                Help us finish Al qaeda and you can then save yourselves from needing arm for survival. I do not think you have the stomach for firearm violence in your streets. We still do, in fact we revel in it. Our Southern borders are at war in drug and weapons violence and we are simply buying more guns. You gotta love this country. Bill
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                                                Wil, My spiritual experiences are various, and have included a sense of completely losing my faith. What remains for me is a sense of mystery that changes its
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                                                  My spiritual experiences are various, and have included a sense of completely losing my faith. What remains for me is a sense of mystery that changes its nature at different times. The spirit that I identify with Christ need not be narrowly restricted to a Reformation view of the Bible. No doubt that would seem obvious to many, but for me, inducted by circumstance into a terrifying Medieval ordeal, it has involved the ripping apart of an entire mental world. So by this new interpretation, Christ (not the religion, however defined) brings what He promises to bring - abundant life. I do not like discussing this - it borders on infringing moderation policy, in any case. Life, the free life of the spirit, does not prohibit a sober mature enquiry into the nature of our humanity. Race is one essential factor, and there are evil forces engaged in preventing that enquiry. Such is my belief.

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                                                    My spiritual experiences are various, and have included a sense of completely losing my faith. What remains for me is a sense of mystery that changes its nature at different times. The spirit that I identify with Christ need not be narrowly restricted to a Reformation view of the Bible. No doubt that would seem obvious to many, but for me, inducted by circumstance into a terrifying Medieval ordeal, it has involved the ripping apart of an entire mental world. So by this new interpretation, Christ (not the religion, however defined) brings what He promises to bring - abundant life. I do not like discussing this - it borders on infringing moderation policy, in any case. Life, the free life of the spirit, does not prohibit a sober mature enquiry into the nature of our humanity. Race is one essential factor, and there are evil forces engaged in preventing that enquiry. Such is my belief.



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                                                    > Whilst I do wish to be able to engage in good-humoured abuse, so to speak, please understand that your statement below is a most serious charge, in my view, because as I keep trying to explain, questions of faith precede and supersede all question of political allegiance. I would ask you to quote precisely, and thus give me the chance to make a clear response.

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