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  • Herman B. Triplegood
    Jim: Why are the `hopeful arguments for the immortality of the soul `dashed to pieces by Socrates suicide? Hb3g: They are not. Each one is shown, in turn,
    Message 1 of 34 , Mar 2, 2009
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      Jim: Why are the `hopeful' arguments for the immortality of the soul
      `dashed to pieces' by Socrates' suicide?

      Hb3g: They are not. Each one is shown, in turn, to be lacking. But
      Socrates' imminent death, of course, is the context.
    • chris lofting
      ... The neuron goes back 600 million years to sponge life and so well before us . The dynamics of the neuron reflect a form of spectrum acquisition where all
      Message 34 of 34 , Mar 4, 2009
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        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > [mailto:existlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Herman B. Triplegood
        > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:46 AM
        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [existlist] Re: In real time
        >
        >Why does this "part" depend upon that "whole" in order
        > to functionally be just what it is?
        >
        > Why do we have concepts of "part" and "whole" anyway?
        >

        The neuron goes back 600 million years to sponge life and so well before
        'us'. The dynamics of the neuron reflect a form of spectrum acquisition
        where all sensory data 'feeds' into one area (through what is call Amplitude
        Modulation, AM radio, WAVE focused) and that data gets discretised into a
        pulse train (Frequency Modulation, FM, PULSE focus) representing the
        spectrum of that whole and so a PARTS LIST of that whole. That data is
        distributed to other neurons or directly onto muscle through release of
        hormones etc to get the muscle to contract.

        A feature of the neurology is where a feedback system developed across
        collectives of neurons where the output of one fed back into one input and
        this creates an Exclusive OR loop and so development of a form of memory.
        Formations that develop in the input areas of neurons serve to represent
        memories as instincts/habits and so filters of data that can contribute to
        neural responses to data - as can issues of neuron synchronisation with
        other neurons etc (this also gets into division of labour etc).

        The formation of collectives of neurons reflect an interesting property of
        self-referencing, the collective will behave 'AS IF' a single neuron (but
        with increase in bandwidth and so able to process a lot more data). Here we
        get into 'fractal' dynamics and complexity/chaos behaviours.

        We can trace this property of the neurology all the way up into the
        hemispheres of our neocortex and from there to the abstraction notions of
        anti-symmmetry(XOR, partials focus, aspectual, local context) / symmetry
        (wholes process, EQV, non-local context).

        Sensory input covers aggregation of various inputs into a complex 'whole'
        that is then open to analysis through spectral breakdown into 'aspects' -
        sensory paradox demonstrates this feature where a complex line drawing is
        'broken down' into objects but not fully discretisable from that drawing -
        see examples in http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/paradox.html

        These dynamics cover soma processing of data as they do psyche processing of
        data.

        Of interest is that the parts realm comes with properties that allow for
        emergences and so 'new' wholes are possible. This realm is dominated by
        positive feedback (discretisation and amplification) whereas the more whole
        realm is biased to negative feedback (integrating, error correcting,
        'getting closer to' etc)

        The label of 'parts' is object focused and one can focus more on 'aspects'
        where such includes static and dynamic relationships.

        It is the use of LABELS that can transcend the single context focus of the
        basic neurology and so move us into language usage etc. and the development
        of consciousness and the instinctive notions of 'partness' and 'wholeness'
        etc.

        Chris
        http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/AbstractDomain.html
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