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  • devogney
    ... Louise, Welcome back. Tom
    Message 1 of 3 , Feb 7 7:13 PM
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      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "louise" <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
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      > chris,
      >
      > if in fact you are not simply a computer-generated plant from the
      > fascist fringe, would you be so good as to advise me on how to manage
      > my paranoia? i keep thinking that people dont trust me because im
      > black. considering i have been deceived all my life by my own skin,
      > it leaves me most confused. what is your opinion on the entitlement
      > of subliminally trans-racial types to mainstream education? anything
      > you write will be noted and may be used in evidence against you at the
      > great future court of justice where all tears will be wiped away.
      >
      > Louise
      > ... missing life at the list


      Louise,

      Welcome back.
      Tom
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    • chris lofting
      ... LOL! ;-) ... ;-) These days it is more applicable to those of middle eastern appearance so you have moved up the scale of trust! Where you born in the UK
      Message 2 of 3 , Feb 7 8:07 PM
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        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > [mailto:existlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of louise
        > Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2009 1:28 PM
        > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [existlist] addressed to mr. lofting
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        > chris,
        >
        > if in fact you are not simply a computer-generated plant from
        > the fascist fringe,

        LOL! ;-)

        > would you be so good as to advise me on
        > how to manage my paranoia? i keep thinking that people dont
        > trust me because im black.

        ;-) These days it is more applicable to those of 'middle eastern appearance'
        so you have moved up the scale of trust! Where you born in the UK or did you
        migrate to the UK?

        > considering i have been deceived
        > all my life by my own skin, it leaves me most confused.

        Yes it would. In a social, symmetry-focused collective the emphasis is on
        SAMENESS and with that comes stereotyping etc. The emergence of
        consciousness has introduced DIFFERENCE where it is not the physiological
        that is an issue. That said, cooperation of LIKE-MINDEDNESS can transcend
        racial issues but still maintain a symmetry focus in that sameness - as such
        there is somatic racism as there is psychic racism. (e.g. my prose can
        elicit comments along the line of 'you are not one of us!' and the passion
        of that can be mapped to an equivalent form of 'racism' where the 'true'
        race is 'pure existentialist' etc etc!)

        > what
        > is your opinion on the entitlement of subliminally
        > trans-racial types to mainstream education?

        I focus more on mind/brain and as such how one uses what is in-between our
        ears. Education is required for (a) socialisation but also (b)
        understanding. The former symmetric (lots of copying etc) the latter
        asymmetric (ultimate supposed to be in a unique expression, a 'difference
        that makes a difference'). Yes there ARE intellectual differences, often
        tied to metabolic differences, some are 'faster' than others, some are
        qualitatively more 'aware' than others but in a social hierarchy these
        specialist traits bring out professions etc 'suitable' for those
        differences; we all can contribute or we can go off on our own (although
        still dependent on the collective for survival etc). The issues with
        metabolic rates etc bring out education requiring some suitable time-span;
        we can all, in principle, gets PhDs but it could take decades rather than
        the set two to four years and the issue then, from a social perspective, is
        'bang for buck'.

        The physiological dynamics of use of recursion of dichotomies to acquire
        information introduces the dynamic of mindless rote learning (the copy
        focus) shifting to an emerging rich associative memory system grounded in
        constructive/destructive interference patterns (and with THAT comes an
        emerging teleological element in the development of
        consciousness-as-language and so identification of 'purpose' etc -
        establishment of a sense of direction so essential for a symmetric form to
        maintain development through a cycle of re-configurations to 'fit in' to
        context changes)

        One of the advantages of the 'net is that these sorts of list interactions
        are based solely on brain power - I do not 'see' you and so avoid/minimise
        any subliminal factors that may bias assessments due to cultural background
        (WASP). That said, my background covered living a vast number of different
        countries in the first 21 years of my life and that included 12 years in
        Asian countries (Hong Kong, Thailand, Japan, Singapore) before coming to
        Australia in 1970. I thus 'escaped' the UK 11+ categorisation process in the
        50s (although implicit in later abilities etc suggested a channelling into
        grammar school over secondary-modern and so a path to university over
        polytechnic) and had a diverse education (home schooling in Japan, UK style
        grammar in HK, US style high school in Thailand, private boarding school in
        the UK, LCC school in UK etc etc) mixing theory with practice, intellect
        with being 'street wise' and often in countries where I was in a minority -
        elitist in some (HK), considered 'inferior', and so 'tolerated', in others
        (Japan) and 'one of the guys' in others (Thailand).

        The diversity in experiences and the exposure to different theories etc has
        led to the IDM material that covers developing an understanding of core
        information processing dynamics at the general level PRIOR to our
        development of specialist perspectives. As such it is open to all and is
        free of local context sensitivities since it covers the basics of all
        neuron-dependent life forms - what local adaptations favoured development of
        white or black or brown or yellow etc etc skins is meaningless in the
        context of brain dynamics; it is the issues of symmetrisation that leads to
        'issues' in that early education of sameness can elicit a natural negative
        reaction to differences ('stranger danger', ghetto development etc).

        Current education systems do not touch on the basics of mind/brain over
        'look' and as such we still promote an 'ape' perspective in our
        socialisations - how people look, smell, taste, sound etc dominates
        assessments when the fact it these are superseded by consciousness (if
        allowed).

        The dependence on early exposure to context in the development of a sense of
        SELF DOES introduce basic symmetry-related issues upon personality
        development where lack of focus on the mental can favour internalisation of
        stereotyping, applicable to self or to others. Education can get around
        these sorts of issues - as can travel! - but it requires some daring changes
        in methodologies to 'transcend' our species nature and move into a focus on
        consciousness. IDM aids in such in that it shows what is SAME for ALL of the
        species and as such grounds us in a sense of 'one' form (general) to many
        expressions (particulars) whereas the more common perspective moves
        particular to general (one 'bad apple' is generalised to all etc)

        As for issues with paranoia - go local. Talk. Communicate to bring out your
        uniqueness and so reduce any generalisations to specifics that can be easily
        addressed. Use humour. As a conscious being you are unique - there is no
        'racism' since there is no 'race'! The problem with symmetric thinking, and
        it dominates society, is the stereotyping so there is a requirement when not
        with those of 'like-mind' to put in more energy in clearly establishing your
        uniqueness and so potential contribution to any social dynamic; establishing
        rapport, even an agreement to disagree, is a step towards increase in
        respect/trust.

        Chris
        http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/AbstractDomain.html
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