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  • bhvwd
    ... of the better life. It is old and needs little sunshine, unless you might consider yourself void of the accepted requirments of species. It is not
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      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, eupraxis@... wrote:
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      > Include me here as well.
      > Jesus and all the myths of the children of stone. Bring me a dream
      of the better life. It is old and needs little sunshine, unless
      you might consider yourself void of the accepted requirments of
      species. It is not hard unless you think. Bill

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      > From: bartleyoreg@...
      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 3:12 pm
      > Subject: Re: [existlist] Re: Black holes and carpet moles
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      > Chris at the risk of pilling on, I totally agree with Bill's post.?
      I am not interested in reading college term papers, which is some
      ways your posts read like.? This isn't Nature mag. get to the point,
      cut out at least 2/3 of your posts.? There are too many details, I
      have no idea what your point is, and after a while I don't care.?
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      > Michael
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      > -----Original Message-----
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      > From: bhvwd <v.valleywestdental@...>
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      > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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      > Sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:42 pm
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      > Subject: [existlist] Re: Black holes and carpet moles
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      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "chris lofting" <lofting@> wrote:
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      > > > -----Original Message-----
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      > > > From: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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      > > > [mailto:existlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bhvwd
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      > > > Sent: Friday, 26 September 2008 1:43 PM
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      > > > To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
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      > > > Subject: [existlist] Black holes and carpet moles
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      > > > If modern , thought would remain open. Friends like Chris{
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      > > > not the moderator}Propose closed systems, brain states,
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      > > > behavoriolists bastions.
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      > > Not at all. The focus is on identifying the source of meaning
      etc.
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      > What we
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      > > find at the primate level is a dynamic of instincts across the
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      > > anti-symmetric/symmetric aka aspects/whole dichotomy. THAT is a
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      > closed
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      > > system where the grounding in genetics makes each of us
      particulars
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      > of a
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      > > general and so determined in our GROUP activities. The scope of
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      > > 'difference/sameness' is so huge that even if we do consider
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      > it 'closed' it
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      > > is to such a level where it will be experienced as 'open' when
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      > living the
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      > > standard three score and ten.
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      > > The sameness is born of initial aggregation of differences, the
      then
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      > > clumping together of 'likeness' and a developing focus on
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      > protection. The
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      > > success of such is manifest in our species but the failure of such
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      > > determinism is manifest in the emergence of consciousness and so
      the
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      > > asymmetric where such acts to mediate differences/sameness. The
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      > success of
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      > > the mediation refines the instincts and creates new habits,
      breaks
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      > old ones.
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      > > Our sensory systems and general form reflects 'skewed' symmetry
      and
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      > so what
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      > > we can detect in the universe IS symmetry - we are attracted to
      the
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      > > 'perfection'. BUT in this attraction we find anomalies that lead
      us
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      > to
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      > > change all of our models of reality, to realise that what is
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      > explicitly
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      > > perceived is symmetry by symmetry. What is also IMPLICITLY
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      > perceived are
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      > > gravitational anomalies indicating that what is perceived is only
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      > 6% of what
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      > > is there - the rest is dark energy/matter.
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      > > To deal with this we need a new language since our old ones,
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      > including
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      > > existentialism, have failed us and so are in need of review given
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      > what we
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      > > now know with regard to how 'in here' produces and communicates
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      > meaning.
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      > > The failings of the languages reflect their form as biased not to
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      > > transcending but to transforming. Transforming is an evolution
      path
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      > focused
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      > > on adapting to context by fitting-in and so refining instincts and
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      > > learning/creating new habits where the realm of such IS symmetry
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      > biased -
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      > > this brings out the dynamics of the primate states that focus on
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      > energy
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      > > conservation in a thermodynamic universe and so making all
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      > into 'ground
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      > > states' over the long run - but this is detrimental to
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      > consciousness and the
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      > > path of transcendence that is also possible along the same path
      of
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      > language
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      > > creation - but here not to 'fit in' but to 'fit out', to 'stick
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      > out', to
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      > > transcend - as consciousness itself transcends our ape natures.
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      > > The dangers of course are that transcendence and innovative
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      > creativity lives
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      > > in the realm of high precision, high sample rate, high bandwidth,
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      > dynamics
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      > > and so on the border of insanity - or more so the formal
      definition
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      > of
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      > > psychosis where one's created new world is so new as to be 'off
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      > planet'.
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      > > The development of a unique consciousness demands the mix of the
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      > genetics
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      > > (and so one's specialist position in a collective) and
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      > environmental rules
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      > > that are ingrained in the form of consciousness to 'regulate' our
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      > more
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      > > primate natures.
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      > >
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      > > To bypass or destroy frontal lobe areas of our brains is to
      return
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      > one to an
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      > > ape form of existence so there is no going back - we have to go
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      > forwards but
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      > > to achieve THAT requires a paradigm shift to transcend the current
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      > > situations - but how, what, when?
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      > > A property of many elements in reality is phase shifting -
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      > expressed in
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      > > consciousness where all start to think the same.... but this can
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      > also lead
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      > > to a group form of psychosis (fundamentalism abounds under these
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      > conditions
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      > > - Jonestown, Wako, Heaven's gate, etc etc) and so any such
      sameness
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      > has to
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      > > be carefully considered.
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      > > As I have identified before, there IS purpose but it applies to
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      > collectives
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      > > and so is vague but still applicable to our particular natures
      and
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      > so
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      > > identifiable. Is the next step the use of this material to BREAK
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      > this
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      > > purpose? to break the symmetry of the collectives? - is unique
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      > expression
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      > > having NO purpose or perhaps more so re-inventing purpose by the
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      > minute? --
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      > > or perhaps we focus on the development of 'dark' consciousness,
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      > whatever
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      > > that might be?
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      > > Of note here is that the overall path of socio-economic
      development
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      > follows
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      > > the 'network' dynamics covered in the aristocratic/egalitarian
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      > dichotomy
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      > > (and its self-referencing) such that the current context appears
      to
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      > heading
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      > > to, or is starting to, participate in a phase-shift and so psychic
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      > > transcendence in the context of socio-economic conditions. But
      such
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      > a
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      > > dynamic is predictable and so part of the symmetry dynamic of
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      > mindless
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      > > evolution and so not transcending but transforming!
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      > > Chris.
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      > >You are an interesting problem. I will try to describe you by
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      > comparing you with three relatively recent people.Your neuroscience
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      > speak[I will call it NSS}Has some similarity with the Iranian
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      > presidential speeches. He uses ayatollah speak and has garnished
      the
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      > reputation of being an Islamic fanatic. NSS has a similar corkscrew
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      > appearance as you continually reinforce your point with linguistics
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      > of your system.
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      > Gov. Palin speaks English but like you reverts to her platform for
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      > all answers. It is a speaking tactic which makes you always correct
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      > because you are the only one who has authority in the conversation.
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      > It is little more than a cheap trick that wears out quickly. A
      beauty
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      > queen platform is not a good launching pad for a new science or a
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      > philosophy. You both deconstruct to platform , but I`ll bet she is
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      > better looking than you.
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      > The neocons ,especially Carl Rove ,use correctness much as you use
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      > NSS. The other guy is wrong because his language is tainted and not
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      > up to neuroscience standards. Again you deconstruct to platform but
      I
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      > hope you are prettier than Carl.
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      > So, I will handle you in a straight forward way, If you write in
      NSS
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      > I will not read you:I will not read you because I cannot and will
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      > learn.
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      > When you speak English I will read you and may reply if interested.
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      > So please do not bore me and cause me to waste courser time. Speak
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      > English about existential topics.
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      > Who knows, you may have the answers but if you wish to communicate
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      > with moss backs like myself, you will need to speak in our native
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      > tongue, English my good man,English, it is common,English. Bill
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