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Re: [existlist] Re: The Plague

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  • ccorey@frontiernet.net
    check check ... Christopher Corey Freedom is Existence
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 25, 2008
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      Quoting jimstuart51 <jjimstuart1@...>:

      > -c-,
      >
      > I do not think it is correct to label Camus a "religious
      > philosopher". "The Plague" is a sustained attack on religion, and
      > Paneloux represents the religious outlook Camus rejects.
      >
      > You cannot claim that every character in the book is just a cipher
      > for Camus's views. Tarrou may well be closer to aspects of Camus
      > outlook, but the "saint without God" seems to me to be more an
      > ethical individual than a religious individual.
      >
      > Again, the "lapses" struck me as ethical lapses, for example, when we
      > fail to be sensitive to the needs of the other due to being
      > narcissistically wrapped up in our own thoughts and projects. The
      > word "sin" seems to me a wholly inappropriate gloss of "lapse".
      >
      > The heroes do what is required in the plague situation just because
      > it is required. There are no thoughts of a religious or metaphysical
      > framework. On my understanding Camus's existentialism is a
      > minimalist, sparse, austere philosophy without any sort of
      > metaphysical superstructure to support, justify and explain the
      > everyday lot of the humans being. Camus portrays life without
      > illusions.
      >
      > Jim
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, ccorey@... wrote:
      >>
      >> The Plague leaves no doubt in my mind that Camus is a religious
      >> philosopher. According to the preacher, Paneloux, the plague is a
      >> punishment for the city?s sin; the people are not innocent
      > victims,
      >> they are guilty sinners before the judgment of God. This novel
      > gives
      >> grounds for what Rachel Bespaloff says Camus is proposing, ?a
      >> de-Christianized Christianity? emphasized when Tarrou asks ?Can one
      > be
      >> a saint without God? and says ?that?s the problem, in fact the
      > only
      >> problem, I?m up against today.? Here Camus speaks aloud. And he
      > does
      >> not use the word ?sin? but Tarrou speaks of ?lapses? which I take
      > as
      >> to be sin. The plague is evil and sin is giving in to this evil.
      >>
      >> As for the philosophy of revolt, it clearly passes through the
      > bowels
      >> of The Plague(1948) and is given explanation in The Rebel(1954.)
      >> ?Revolt begins with and carries man beyond the anguish which is
      > the
      >> terminus of existential thought.? As I said, Camus suggests revolt
      > as
      >> a kind of self-affirmation or inner resolution however, this
      > revolt, I
      >> think, is also against the common oppression of society in our
      > present
      >> age. Camus is prophetic in his explanation of revolt and some
      > suggest
      >> a variety of other conceptions connected with his conception such
      > as
      >> value, the metaphysical, the historical, rational and irrational
      >> terror, political philosophy, and esthetics ? a literature of
      > revolt.
      >>
      >> -c-
      >>
      >
      >
      >



      Christopher Corey
      Freedom is Existence
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