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Re: [existlist] Re: Knowing how to live authentically

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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Jim, How would such social engineering look? Is this a social-democratic model or a kind of public works approach, etc.? Would it be governmental-legalistic?
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      Jim,

      How would such social engineering look? Is this a social-democratic model or a kind of public works approach, etc.? Would it be governmental-legalistic? Or a kind of voluntarism; or authoritarian?

      Wil







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      Subject: [existlist] Re: Knowing how to live authentically

























      Aija,



      I agree with everything you say – I share you optimism that

      disadvantaged individuals and dysfunctional societies can respond

      positively to the efforts of single individuals, small groups or

      collective mass movements.



      I agree that "humanistic social engineering or restructuring of

      society" is more effective than "heroic individualism." But in the

      absence of humanistic social engineering or restructuring of society,

      heroic individualism is the only game in town. In other words, heroic

      individualism is better than nothing, but humanistic social

      engineering or restructuring of society is best of all.



      But, of course, humanistic social engineering or restructuring of

      society only takes place when lots of single individuals make resolute

      commitments to work hard for the good of all.



      Jim





















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    • jimstuart46
      Wil, Bill, The expression humanistic social engineering or restructuring of society is Aija s, so really you are better asking her what she means by it. I am
      Message 2 of 8 , Sep 4, 2007
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        Wil, Bill,

        The expression "humanistic social engineering or restructuring of
        society" is Aija's, so really you are better asking her what she
        means by it.

        I am not really very interested in politics – I prefer to think about
        philosophical matters.

        Politically I am a member of the Green Party here in the UK. The
        party stands against the destruction of the planet and in favour of a
        version of self-sustaining socialism.

        I am also a member of Amnesty International which campaigns against
        torture and the imprisonment of people purely because of their
        beliefs.

        I am also a member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament which,
        surprise, surprise, campaigns for a world without any nuclear weapons.

        In terms of US politics, if I had been a citizen of your country in
        recent years, I would have voted for Ralph Nader in your presidential
        elections. But then again, didn't his votes in 2000 let Bush in, and
        cause all the current strife in the world?

        Now can you stop asking me about politics, and can I get back to
        existentialism?

        I started this thread with some remarks about the Existentialist
        ideas of Trinidad and Johannes Climacus. In the later posts in this
        thread I was basically arguing for the existentialist idea that
        radical change for the individual and for society is possible. I read
        existentialism as a philosophy of radical freedom. Each of us has the
        freedom to remake himself or herself in almost any way. Collectively
        the members of a society are free to remake their society in any way.
        Am I being naïve here? Am I being faithful to present-day
        existentialism here, or am I stuck in the 1950's?

        Jim
      • eupraxis@aol.com
        Jim, Your associations sound great to me. We probably share a lot in that regard. Wil ... From: jimstuart46 To:
        Message 3 of 8 , Sep 4, 2007
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          Jim,

          Your associations sound great to me. We probably share a lot in that regard.

          Wil







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          From: jimstuart46 <jjimstuart@...>
          To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 3:40 pm
          Subject: [existlist] Re: Knowing how to live authentically

























          Wil, Bill,



          The expression "humanistic social engineering or restructuring of

          society" is Aija's, so really you are better asking her what she

          means by it.



          I am not really very interested in politics – I prefer to think about

          philosophical matters.



          Politically I am a member of the Green Party here in the UK. The

          party stands against the destruction of the planet and in favour of a

          version of self-sustaining socialism.



          I am also a member of Amnesty International which campaigns against

          torture and the imprisonment of people purely because of their

          beliefs.



          I am also a member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament which,

          surprise, surprise, campaigns for a world without any nuclear weapons.



          In terms of US politics, if I had been a citizen of your country in

          recent years, I would have voted for Ralph Nader in your presidential

          elections. But then again, didn't his votes in 2000 let Bush in, and

          cause all the current strife in the world?



          Now can you stop asking me about politics, and can I get back to

          existentialism?



          I started this thread with some remarks about the Existentialist

          ideas of Trinidad and Johannes Climacus. In the later posts in this

          thread I was basically arguing for the existentialist idea that

          radical change for the individual and for society is possible. I read

          existentialism as a philosophy of radical freedom. Each of us has the

          freedom to remake himself or herself in almost any way. Collectively

          the members of a society are free to remake their society in any way.

          Am I being naïve here? Am I being faithful to present-day

          existentialism here, or am I stuck in the 1950's?



          Jim





















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