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  • eupraxis@aol.com
    Bill, It looks to me that the worst visions that Nietzsche warned us about concerning decadence and the mob have come to pass. I blame the corporatists and the
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 26, 2007
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      Bill,

      It looks to me that the worst visions that Nietzsche warned us about
      concerning decadence and the mob have come to pass.

      I blame the corporatists and the meekness of the political parties in
      the face of them; I blame the distracted youth for not caring about
      their own future; I blame the South for waging yet another romantic
      hopeless war for the sake of its stupid war god whom they call jesus;
      and I blame journalism for faking it long after it abrogated its own
      role.

      What a pathetic bunch we have become! Sheep and gluttons (sorry for the
      mixed metaphor: maybe I can mitigate that by saying muttons and
      gluttons?); the undereducated and the overcompensated; the underman and
      the last man.

      WS


      -----Original Message-----
      From: bhvwd <v.valleywestdental@...>
      To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 5:49 pm
      Subject: [existlist] French Diversion























      Wil, Egalitarianism with with all its later associations
      with socialism

      and Jeffertonian democracy seem prescient of the systems that may be to

      come. It must be better to coexist. The talk of which of us might be

      forced to work are most disgusting to me. I think we should program the

      future , knowing it will be at best a vague representation of our

      childrens world. I need no degree to assuum such a podium , only an

      audiance.Why we of the existential bent should attempt such

      activity ,in many ways seems problamatic. Progress,progress we are

      programmed to seek the prey. Is that evolution really the channel that

      Trinidad fights so hard to change.I ask where the dictatorship of the

      dim would chance to take us. As a leader of the less, Trinidad seems

      perfectly rational, I would appoint him as cheerleader but know he

      would tell me to fuck off. For those who take up the gun and bomb in

      active rebelliousness ,I wish them a clean and quick death as bullets

      and bombs are much the inferior of what we do here. Bill






















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    • jaime.denada
      I prefer passive resistance. JD ... wrote: Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in blood and slavery in the future?
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 26, 2007
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        I prefer passive resistance.

        JD

        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd" <v.valleywestdental@...>
        wrote:

        Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in blood and
        slavery in the future?
      • Chris Macchione
        A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. …God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always,
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 27, 2007
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          "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. …God
          forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a
          rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well
          informed. The part which is wrong will be
          discontented, in proportion to the importance of the
          facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under
          such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of
          death to the public liberty. …And what country can
          preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
          from time to time, that this people preserve the
          spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy
          is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
          pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a
          century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed
          from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
          tyrants. It is its natural manure."
          Thomas Jefferson



          --- "jaime.denada" <jaime.denada@...> wrote:

          > I prefer passive resistance.
          >
          > JD
          >
          > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd"
          > <v.valleywestdental@...>
          > wrote:
          >
          > Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in
          > blood and
          > slavery in the future?
          >
          >
          >




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        • Exist List Moderator
          By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday. Just some random observations: America was founded by
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 27, 2007
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            By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before
            losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.

            Just some random observations:

            America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.
            The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working
            poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the
            landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that
            voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property
            rights were important to these men because those rights meant a
            protection of wealth.

            We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests
            at heart.

            The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.
            How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people
            vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At
            least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain
            to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.
            Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my
            interests.

            Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.
            Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever
            imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for
            McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a
            "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and
            life as it is.

            - CSW
          • Trinidad Cruz
            A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder if this riding
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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              A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
              of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
              if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
              issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
              badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
              faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
              of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
              out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
              myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
              than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
              the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
              constructing your future according to their vision of control
              deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
              culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
              business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
              rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
              impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
              their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.

              Trinidad


              --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Exist List Moderator
              <existlist1@...> wrote:
              >
              > By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before
              > losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.
              >
              > Just some random observations:
              >
              > America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.
              > The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working
              > poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the
              > landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that
              > voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property
              > rights were important to these men because those rights meant a
              > protection of wealth.
              >
              > We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests
              > at heart.
              >
              > The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.
              > How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people
              > vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At
              > least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain
              > to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.
              > Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my
              > interests.
              >
              > Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.
              > Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever
              > imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for
              > McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a
              > "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and
              > life as it is.
              >
              > - CSW
              >
            • eupraxis@aol.com
              TC, I am one of those Gulf Coasters. There is more to the story than you might expect. But as my last statements on Katrina culled some responses that almost
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                TC,

                I am one of those Gulf Coasters. There is more to the story than you
                might expect. But as my last statements on Katrina culled some
                responses that almost made me quit the group. I'll leave it at that.

                WS


                -----Original Message-----
                From: Trinidad Cruz <TriniCruz@...>
                To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 9:42 am
                Subject: [existlist] Re: French Diversion























                A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an
                alarming number

                of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder

                if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper

                issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or

                badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if

                faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations

                of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it

                out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in

                myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more

                than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that

                the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are

                constructing your future according to their vision of control

                deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from

                culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to

                business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but

                rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such

                impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only

                their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.



                Trinidad



                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Exist List Moderator

                <existlist1@...> wrote:

                >

                > By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before

                > losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.

                >

                > Just some random observations:

                >

                > America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.

                > The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working

                > poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the

                > landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that


                > voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property

                > rights were important to these men because those rights meant a

                > protection of wealth.

                >

                > We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests

                > at heart.

                >

                > The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.


                > How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people

                > vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At

                > least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain

                > to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.

                > Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my

                > interests.

                >

                > Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.


                > Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever


                > imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for

                > McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a

                > "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and

                > life as it is.

                >

                > - CSW

                >






















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              • jaime.denada
                I can dig the analogy. Here s some positive peaceful resistance. A Blow Against the Corporate Empire http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm ... wrote:
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                  I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.

                  A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                  http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm

                  --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@...>
                  wrote:

                  A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
                  of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
                  if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                  issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                  badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
                  faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
                  of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                  out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                  myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
                  than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                  the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                  constructing your future according to their vision of control
                  deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
                  culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                  business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                  rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                  impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                  their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                • jaime.denada
                  I can dig the analogy. Here s some positive peaceful resistance. A Blow Against the Corporate Empire http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm ... wrote:
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                    I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.

                    A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                    http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm

                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@...>
                    wrote:

                    A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
                    of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
                    if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                    issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                    badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
                    faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
                    of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                    out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                    myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
                    than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                    the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                    constructing your future according to their vision of control
                    deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
                    culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                    business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                    rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                    impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                    their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                  • jaime.denada
                    Supreme Court: Government Can Suppress Speech of Citizens, Not Corporations http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2007/supreme_court_speech_laz arus.php ...
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                      Supreme Court: Government Can Suppress Speech of Citizens, Not
                      Corporations

                      http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2007/supreme_court_speech_laz
                      arus.php

                      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "jaime.denada" <jaime.denada@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.
                      >
                      > A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                      > http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm
                      >
                      > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming
                      number
                      > of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me
                      wonder
                      > if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                      > issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                      > badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder
                      if
                      > faced with martial law, detention camps, and government
                      assassinations
                      > of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                      > out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                      > myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little
                      more
                      > than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                      > the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                      > constructing your future according to their vision of control
                      > deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence
                      from
                      > culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                      > business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                      > rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                      > impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                      > their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                      >
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