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  • bhvwd
    Wil, Egalitarianism with with all its later associations with socialism and Jeffertonian democracy seem prescient of the systems that may be to come. It must
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 26, 2007
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      Wil, Egalitarianism with with all its later associations with socialism
      and Jeffertonian democracy seem prescient of the systems that may be to
      come. It must be better to coexist. The talk of which of us might be
      forced to work are most disgusting to me. I think we should program the
      future , knowing it will be at best a vague representation of our
      childrens world. I need no degree to assuum such a podium , only an
      audiance.Why we of the existential bent should attempt such
      activity ,in many ways seems problamatic. Progress,progress we are
      programmed to seek the prey. Is that evolution really the channel that
      Trinidad fights so hard to change.I ask where the dictatorship of the
      dim would chance to take us. As a leader of the less, Trinidad seems
      perfectly rational, I would appoint him as cheerleader but know he
      would tell me to fuck off. For those who take up the gun and bomb in
      active rebelliousness ,I wish them a clean and quick death as bullets
      and bombs are much the inferior of what we do here. Bill
    • eupraxis@aol.com
      Bill, It looks to me that the worst visions that Nietzsche warned us about concerning decadence and the mob have come to pass. I blame the corporatists and the
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 26, 2007
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        Bill,

        It looks to me that the worst visions that Nietzsche warned us about
        concerning decadence and the mob have come to pass.

        I blame the corporatists and the meekness of the political parties in
        the face of them; I blame the distracted youth for not caring about
        their own future; I blame the South for waging yet another romantic
        hopeless war for the sake of its stupid war god whom they call jesus;
        and I blame journalism for faking it long after it abrogated its own
        role.

        What a pathetic bunch we have become! Sheep and gluttons (sorry for the
        mixed metaphor: maybe I can mitigate that by saying muttons and
        gluttons?); the undereducated and the overcompensated; the underman and
        the last man.

        WS


        -----Original Message-----
        From: bhvwd <v.valleywestdental@...>
        To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 5:49 pm
        Subject: [existlist] French Diversion























        Wil, Egalitarianism with with all its later associations
        with socialism

        and Jeffertonian democracy seem prescient of the systems that may be to

        come. It must be better to coexist. The talk of which of us might be

        forced to work are most disgusting to me. I think we should program the

        future , knowing it will be at best a vague representation of our

        childrens world. I need no degree to assuum such a podium , only an

        audiance.Why we of the existential bent should attempt such

        activity ,in many ways seems problamatic. Progress,progress we are

        programmed to seek the prey. Is that evolution really the channel that

        Trinidad fights so hard to change.I ask where the dictatorship of the

        dim would chance to take us. As a leader of the less, Trinidad seems

        perfectly rational, I would appoint him as cheerleader but know he

        would tell me to fuck off. For those who take up the gun and bomb in

        active rebelliousness ,I wish them a clean and quick death as bullets

        and bombs are much the inferior of what we do here. Bill






















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      • jaime.denada
        I prefer passive resistance. JD ... wrote: Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in blood and slavery in the future?
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 26, 2007
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          I prefer passive resistance.

          JD

          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd" <v.valleywestdental@...>
          wrote:

          Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in blood and
          slavery in the future?
        • Chris Macchione
          A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. …God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always,
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 27, 2007
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            "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. …God
            forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a
            rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well
            informed. The part which is wrong will be
            discontented, in proportion to the importance of the
            facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under
            such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of
            death to the public liberty. …And what country can
            preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
            from time to time, that this people preserve the
            spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy
            is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
            pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a
            century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed
            from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
            tyrants. It is its natural manure."
            Thomas Jefferson



            --- "jaime.denada" <jaime.denada@...> wrote:

            > I prefer passive resistance.
            >
            > JD
            >
            > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd"
            > <v.valleywestdental@...>
            > wrote:
            >
            > Is this a no quarter confrontation that must end in
            > blood and
            > slavery in the future?
            >
            >
            >




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          • Exist List Moderator
            By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday. Just some random observations: America was founded by
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 27, 2007
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              By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before
              losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.

              Just some random observations:

              America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.
              The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working
              poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the
              landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that
              voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property
              rights were important to these men because those rights meant a
              protection of wealth.

              We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests
              at heart.

              The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.
              How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people
              vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At
              least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain
              to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.
              Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my
              interests.

              Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.
              Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever
              imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for
              McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a
              "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and
              life as it is.

              - CSW
            • Trinidad Cruz
              A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder if this riding
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
                of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
                if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
                faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
                of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
                than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                constructing your future according to their vision of control
                deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
                culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.

                Trinidad


                --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Exist List Moderator
                <existlist1@...> wrote:
                >
                > By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before
                > losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.
                >
                > Just some random observations:
                >
                > America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.
                > The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working
                > poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the
                > landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that
                > voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property
                > rights were important to these men because those rights meant a
                > protection of wealth.
                >
                > We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests
                > at heart.
                >
                > The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.
                > How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people
                > vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At
                > least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain
                > to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.
                > Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my
                > interests.
                >
                > Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.
                > Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever
                > imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for
                > McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a
                > "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and
                > life as it is.
                >
                > - CSW
                >
              • eupraxis@aol.com
                TC, I am one of those Gulf Coasters. There is more to the story than you might expect. But as my last statements on Katrina culled some responses that almost
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                  TC,

                  I am one of those Gulf Coasters. There is more to the story than you
                  might expect. But as my last statements on Katrina culled some
                  responses that almost made me quit the group. I'll leave it at that.

                  WS


                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Trinidad Cruz <TriniCruz@...>
                  To: existlist@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 9:42 am
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                  A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an
                  alarming number

                  of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder

                  if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper

                  issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or

                  badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if

                  faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations

                  of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it

                  out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in

                  myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more

                  than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that

                  the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are

                  constructing your future according to their vision of control

                  deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from

                  culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to

                  business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but

                  rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such

                  impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only

                  their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.



                  Trinidad



                  --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, Exist List Moderator

                  <existlist1@...> wrote:

                  >

                  > By dumb luck, I have a net connection for a few more hours before

                  > losing it until Tuesday or Wednesday.

                  >

                  > Just some random observations:

                  >

                  > America was founded by the merchant class, for the merchant class.

                  > The American Revolution was "rich white men" and not the working

                  > poor. We need to remember that original plans called for only the

                  > landed / propertied to vote. Jefferson the "populist" even wrote that


                  > voting in proportion to land owned might be reasonable. Property

                  > rights were important to these men because those rights meant a

                  > protection of wealth.

                  >

                  > We must never assume business *or government* has our best interests

                  > at heart.

                  >

                  > The problem is that both require active participation and monitoring.


                  > How many people really read their 401K statements? How many people

                  > vote? A lot of people are just passing through life obliviously. At

                  > least I know if I don't like a company, I have the right to complain

                  > to my union pension plan, my 401K supplier, or my annuities holder.

                  > Likewise, I can campaign against politicians who don't share my

                  > interests.

                  >

                  > Part of the apathy is the lack of any real urgency to reform matters.


                  > Most people live longer, in more comfort than their grandparents ever


                  > imagined. Worse, people are busy earning more and more money for

                  > McMansions and plasma TVs thinking you need those things to have a

                  > "good" life. That leaves no time to actually ponder the world and

                  > life as it is.

                  >

                  > - CSW

                  >






















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                • jaime.denada
                  I can dig the analogy. Here s some positive peaceful resistance. A Blow Against the Corporate Empire http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm ... wrote:
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                    I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.

                    A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                    http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm

                    --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@...>
                    wrote:

                    A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
                    of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
                    if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                    issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                    badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
                    faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
                    of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                    out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                    myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
                    than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                    the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                    constructing your future according to their vision of control
                    deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
                    culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                    business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                    rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                    impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                    their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                  • jaime.denada
                    I can dig the analogy. Here s some positive peaceful resistance. A Blow Against the Corporate Empire http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm ... wrote:
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                      I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.

                      A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                      http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm

                      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@...>
                      wrote:

                      A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming number
                      of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me wonder
                      if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                      issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                      badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder if
                      faced with martial law, detention camps, and government assassinations
                      of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                      out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                      myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little more
                      than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                      the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                      constructing your future according to their vision of control
                      deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence from
                      culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                      business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                      rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                      impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                      their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                    • jaime.denada
                      Supreme Court: Government Can Suppress Speech of Citizens, Not Corporations http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2007/supreme_court_speech_laz arus.php ...
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jul 28, 2007
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                        Supreme Court: Government Can Suppress Speech of Citizens, Not
                        Corporations

                        http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2007/supreme_court_speech_laz
                        arus.php

                        --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "jaime.denada" <jaime.denada@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > I can dig the analogy. Here's some positive peaceful resistance.
                        >
                        > A Blow Against the Corporate Empire
                        > http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1002-31.htm
                        >
                        > --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Trinidad Cruz" <TriniCruz@>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > A recent survey along the Gulf Coast revealed that an alarming
                        number
                        > of people would still opt to ride out a hurricane. It makes me
                        wonder
                        > if this "riding out" quality is just a normal reflection of a deeper
                        > issue in modern American character. There isn't a much bigger or
                        > badder boy on the block than a large hurricane. It makes me wonder
                        if
                        > faced with martial law, detention camps, and government
                        assassinations
                        > of its own citizens, most Americans wouldn't just opt to "ride it
                        > out". I think the majority already have. It is a quality I find in
                        > myself sometimes. I think most dissension here amounts to little
                        more
                        > than lip-service. Nowadays it is becoming important to remember that
                        > the people who want to run the world are not paranoid. They are
                        > constructing your future according to their vision of control
                        > deliberately and confidently across all facets of human existence
                        from
                        > culture, to religion, to science, to politics, to philosophy, to
                        > business. Any oppressive act they impose is not one of paranoia; but
                        > rather one of construct - their construct. If we "ride out" such
                        > impositions on human dignity we will find after the storm that only
                        > their construct remains. American life will not be the same - ever.
                        >
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