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  • Mario
    ... The purpose I agree to a certain extent that most people don t even seem to think about their existence in a beginning and end type fashion. They seem
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 4 8:17 PM
      ..."The purpose" I agree to a certain extent that most people don't
      even seem to think about their existence in a "beginning and end"
      type fashion. They seem to "live", period!


      --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "Yana Youhana"
      <yana_youhana@... wrote:
      > The "Drive" exist from birth in all of us just like the
      > "cancer", it only needs a switch to turn it on or off.
      > In some cases, drugs are strong force to activate or
      > deactivate that drive/desire. It is the same as the
      > old "chichen or egg" question, which one exist first,
      > the drive or the desire to have that drive to go on!
      > I look around me in the daily life of mine, people that
      > rush to get to work and rush to go home, I look in to
      > those faces and most of the time I do NOT see the desire
      > but there is a drive and that is the insinct for survival,
      > to LIVE because one must! 90% of the people just live because
      > of that birth given drive to live BUT ONLY 10% are ALIVE!
      > -
      > yana
      > >From: Frodo742@...
      > >Reply-To: existlist@onelist.com
      > >To: existlist@onelist.com
      > >Subject: Re: [existlist] Drive
      > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:24:56 EDT
      > >
      > >From: Frodo742@...
      > >
      > >In a message dated 7/28/99 10:13:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
      > >Jarod_Rollins@... writes:
      > >
      > ><< Its doubtless that this motavation exists but to what
      > > ends? >>
      > >
      > >I believe that no matter how much a thinking sentient being
      > >re-analyzes, and over-analyzes his purpose or lack of purpose in
      the world,
      > >his intellect cannot deter fundamental human drives/ambitions.
      > >instance,
      > >all must eat to survive. However, because human beings are human
      > >they
      > >do not only wish to eat, they wish to eat well. And so it goes
      with other
      > >fundamental human drives: that of satisfying one's sexual desires
      > >leads
      > >one, intellectually, to seek and find the concept of "love" for
      his or
      > >herself. Thus the intellect, spurred by fundamental, non-
      > >drives,
      > >furthers these drives into this Motivation that you speak of in
      your post.
      > >
      > ><< Is that greastest pleasure for the greatest number a worthy
      goal? >>
      > >
      > >This requires very lengthy discussion, maybe half of a school
      semester, but
      > >I'll say this: Utilitarianism, as a consequentialist moral
      theory, holds
      > >that
      > >it is the consequences or ends of our actions that determine
      > >particular means to them are justified. This leads to conclusions
      that are
      > >contrary to "commonsense morality." For example: Wouldn't it
      > >punishing an innocent person, a "scapegoat," in order to prevent
      a great
      > >evil
      > >or promote a great good? Also...on further criticism, the
      application of
      > >the
      > >classic hedonistic utilitarian philosophy is very difficult on a
      > >and even more so on a societal level. The "utilitarian calculus,"
      > >whatever
      > >you want to term it, is an altogether way, way too subjective
      matter, as in
      > >determining what deserves how many utiles, etc. It just doesn't
      work, and
      > >if
      > >anyone on this list would like to go into a little further
      discussion on
      > >modern manifestations of the principle of utility, like cost-
      > >analysis, let me know!
      > >-Steve
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