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Re: [existlist] The boycott and the law

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  • Exist List Moderator
    We must ask about the law, the borders, and what it means to live in a nation on this planet. As stated before, I think most of us pick and choose our laws,
    Message 1 of 5 , May 1, 2006
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      We must ask about the law, the borders, and what it means to live in a
      "nation" on this planet. As stated before, I think most of us pick and
      choose our laws, even if we think of ourselves as "legalists" in some
      way. I know I do what I can to follow *most* laws while breaking some I
      think of as minor. Yet, those distinctions are my own.

      If a nation is a group of people sharing a geographical, political, and
      cultural designation, then we need to ask how these elements interact.
      Some nations are formed by natural borders -- no one can claim
      Australia is an artificial construct. For the most part, the United
      States has three geographical (south, east, and west) borders, created
      by water (Rio Grande and two oceans) and inhospitable
      mountains/ranges). The US/Canadian border is a mix of geography and
      politics, especially west of the Great Lakes.

      Now, trapped on this mass of land, we established a culture over time
      -- it evolved for a variety of reasons. This culture is unique in some
      ways, while still tied loosely to the greater West. It is not the same
      culture as found to the South, and does differ from the more
      Continental ideals of Canada. Welcome to the United States.

      With the geographical and political lines drawn, what does it mean to
      be "American" versus "American" (the entire hemisphere)? What are the
      differences? What are the risks and implications of changes to borders?
      Why are our borders different than those of the EU? And once we answer
      these questions, solutions must be proposed.

      I am "American" and yet I can't fully explain it. I know I am not
      European -- I dismiss most of their democratic socialism as fragile for
      a variety of economic and political reasons. I am not Canadian, though
      I can't explain that distinction since most of the Canadians I do know
      are "conservative" by their standards.

      What am I? I have no clue. Californian? I know I'll be "Californian"
      when I live in Minnesota. I still don't know how I can tell the
      difference, but I can.

      All these mental meanderings to ask, what makes nationality and why
      does it matter? Mutual defense? If so, we must close the border
      immediately because the risks are real. Economic distribution? Then we
      should reconsider some "free trade" policies and close the ports to
      some unfair nations while balancing better with others. What is it I
      want to protect and what is its value?

      Wish I knew. I do know my liberal friends are upset because they fear
      immigration and NAFTA are taking jobs from the working class.
      Conservatives aren't sure if they support an open border or a fence
      with razor wire. (Libertarianism versus the fear of an attack through
      the borders or ports.)

      No easy answers... only questions. I would probably go with the fence
      and some sort of ID card shared among the US, Canada, and Mexico.
      Wouldn't that scare the radical libertarians? But, the libertarian in
      me supports free movement while understanding we need to protect
      ourselves.

      Whatever I am, whatever it is I am protecting,
      - CSW
    • louise
      Exist List Moderator wrote: I know I am not European -- I dismiss most of their democratic socialism as fragile for a variety of economic and political
      Message 2 of 5 , May 1, 2006
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        Exist List Moderator wrote:
        I know I am not European -- I dismiss most of their democratic
        socialism as fragile for a variety of economic and political reasons.

        You must be a highly political person, to make this kind of implicit
        identification. Today I spent mostly withindoors, reading texts (in
        the traditional sense), making notes, with some kind of continuous
        silent awareness, however fragile, such as I have probably not enjoyed
        these last seventeen years. It is a life I should end with some kind
        of imaginative suicide, harmless to passers-by (and accordingly
        invisible to them), if I ever thought to associate being a European
        with commitment to democratic socialism. How far has that phenomenon
        already destroyed so much that gives any meaning at all to the
        language which is my chief joy.

        Louise
      • louise
        ... reasons. ... implicit ... (in ... enjoyed ... kind ... European ... phenomenon ... hmm, actually should point out that this is rhetorical earnestness,
        Message 3 of 5 , May 1, 2006
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          --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "louise" <hecubatoher@...> wrote:
          >
          > Exist List Moderator wrote:
          > I know I am not European -- I dismiss most of their democratic
          > socialism as fragile for a variety of economic and political
          reasons.
          >
          > You must be a highly political person, to make this kind of
          implicit
          > identification. Today I spent mostly withindoors, reading texts
          (in
          > the traditional sense), making notes, with some kind of continuous
          > silent awareness, however fragile, such as I have probably not
          enjoyed
          > these last seventeen years. It is a life I should end with some
          kind
          > of imaginative suicide, harmless to passers-by (and accordingly
          > invisible to them), if I ever thought to associate being a
          European
          > with commitment to democratic socialism. How far has that
          phenomenon
          > already destroyed so much that gives any meaning at all to the
          > language which is my chief joy.
          >
          > Louise
          >

          hmm, actually should point out that this is rhetorical earnestness,
          since i do consider any suicide not motivated by genuine concern for
          life (in other words, decision taken whilst soberly aware of
          responsibility to others, of consequences for others) to be anything
          other than wicked. this is Christian view, i can say with
          reasonable confidence. at least am beginning to understand one of
          the many consequences of religious difference for those of us living
          in nations where many creeds are tolerated. there are suicides of
          hopelessness, suicides of defiance, suicides arising from complete
          inability to believe what death means ... given that cultural
          poverty is so acute life has not been experienced. i am totally
          opposed to political suicides.
        • mariaprophetessa
          ... wrote:
          Message 4 of 5 , May 2, 2006
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            --- In existlist@yahoogroups.com, "bhvwd" <v.valleywestdental@...>
            wrote:

            <The present laws are a porous hodge podge of special interest rules.
            The benificaries are the bosses while the losers are the rest of us
            and the illegals.>

            What I enjoy about many of your posts? Action, optimism, survival.

            Mary
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